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Storm? Remove Your Anchors Please...

Some of you will remember my many rantings about folks leaving anchors on their bows, in exposed mooring fields, during rough weather. If your mooring filed has the fetch to build waves that can pitch the bow of your boat then it is rather rude & inconsiderate to the boaters around you, who may get hit by your drifting boat to not remove your anchor when a blow is expected. Many times chafe comes from the chocks but after motoring around the anchorage the morning after this short storm I saw that most of the chafe was anchor related.

This thread was posted a while ago (Storm Prep - LINK)

Well, for some time now, I have been trying to capture the "moment" on film to really drive the point home about removing your anchor fro the bow if a storm is coming. Some folks actually get it, but still many don't. I think this Island Packet is a prime example of "my anchors are protected by a bow sprit, I don't need to remove them" line of reasoning.

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Both Pendants Still Intact But Hooked On A Delta / Still Holding But Chafing Badly:


And DOWN!!!


And UP! And SNAP!!!!!


The Parted Port Pendant IS Blowing Back Against The Hull:


Notice The Delta Anchor Holding The REMAINING Pendant And The Bend In It:


This boat owner was VERY, VERY lucky that the storm was winding down as these pics were taken. The remaining pendant actually held and was still holding as of 5:00 pm this evening. Let's hope it holds till his/her boat is hauled.

PLEASE, if not for your boat, think of the others around you and what your boat would do in 30+ knots drifting through an anchorage after the anchor has sliced through the pendants. I watched it happen in real time, it leaves a pit in your stomach. Thank god MOST moorings in Falmouth are dual pendant rigged. This boat owner came very close to owning a pile of off white fiberglass splinters..:doh:
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Holy crap, maine!!!! You took those pics?

Very nice illustration of what not to do!

Why did the bow submarine like that?
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Yes, this morning on the way to drop of at day care..



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Why did the bow submarine like that?
Nor' Easters build fast and the wave periods are short. We also have about a 1.5 mile fetch to the NE in this anchorage. When I went to bed last night at around 10:45 there was no wind at 3:30 am I was woken up by it raining sideways in our bedroom and the bed was drenched cause the window had been left open to enjoy the fall air.. It was probably blowing 35 and gusting to 45+ at that point.

The boats have to ride up and over the waves and they come off one wave peak and dive into a trough. Then they do it all over again. This why it is DUMB to leave an anchor on the bow of a boat when high winds are expected and your mooring filed has some fetch. Even three footers can wreak havoc on a mooring field if anchors are on the bow.
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With all due respect Maine, I did not know of your views of removing anchors when at a mooring.I would like to hear your views on this.

{Pls forgive my ignorance from 10-15000nm away},but at first thought, ;

I have had discussions with racing types (as opposed to cruising types) about storing ground tackle where it cannot be quickly utilised.

I have been in rough enough stuff to bend a 12mm Ronstan shackle and 10mm turnbuckle holding [ instead of lashing] my main anchor. After this I still resisted any urge to remove the anchor from its [always ready] location.

On more than one occasion, I have had to up-anchor in a very undesirable locale. I like my anchor gear ready. I have been at anchor [and gratefully so] in situations where the bows go for a dip.

However, I would absolutely never allow the flukes of the anchor to get hooked up in the mooring line. That is just poor and sloppy seamanship. [As is also demonstrated by the slack halyards, flopping about.]

He appears to have the mooring line go through the anchor roller, halfway off the bowsprit. Again, not a seaman's choice.

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Removing an anchor from the bow roller doesn't necessarily mean putting it where it cannot be deployed in a hurry. If you have a danforth type anchor, you could stow it on a rail mount pretty easily. It is a bit more difficult with the Plow and Scoop type anchors, but not impossible. Also, if your anchor locker is deep enough with a large enough hatch, you might be able to stow it in the locker itself.

In the first photo you can clearly see that the mooring pendants are coming off the bow, not running up the bowsprit at all.



I would also wonder what kind of damage the anchor did when it first got pulled down into that position by the anchor rodes. The bow clearly shows a second anchor stowed on the roller, and the first anchor is hanging much lower than the second. If it wasn't stowed and secured in the fully retracted position, then that would have gone a long way to contributing to this situation.
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With all due respect Maine, I did not know of your views of removing anchors when at a mooring.I would like to hear your views on this.

{Pls forgive my ignorance from 10-15000nm away},but at first thought, ;

I have had discussions with racing types (as opposed to cruising types) about storing ground tackle where it cannot be quickly utilised.

I have been in rough enough stuff to bend a 12mm Ronstan shackle and 10mm turnbuckle holding [ instead of lashing] my main anchor. After this I still resisted any urge to remove the anchor from its [always ready] location.

On more than one occasion, I have had to up-anchor in a very undesirable locale. I like my anchor gear ready. I have been at anchor [and gratefully so] in situations where the bows go for a dip.

However, I would absolutely never allow the flukes of the anchor to get hooked up in the mooring line. That is just poor and sloppy seamanship. [As is also demonstrated by the slack halyards, flopping about.]

He appears to have the mooring line go through the anchor roller, halfway off the bowsprit. Again, not a seaman's choice.

Well spotted
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Some of you will remember my many rantings about folks who leave anchors on their bows, in exposed mooring fields during rough weather. If your mooring filed has the fetch to build waves that can pitch the bow of your boat then it is rather rude & inconsiderate to the boaters around you, who may get hit by your drifting boat before it is smashed to pieces on the rocks, to not remove your anchor when a blow is expected.

This thread was posted a while ago (Storm Prep - LINK)

PLEASE, if not for your boat, think of the others around you and what your boat would do in 30+ knots drifting through an anchorage after the anchor has sliced through the pendants. I watched it happen in real time, it leaves a pit in your stomach. Thank god MOST moorings in Falmouth are dual pendant rigged. This boat owner came very close to owning a pile of off white fiberglass splinters..:doh:
Obtaining voice-of-experience information like this is one of the reasons I became a member of Sailnet in the first place. I don't use a mooring at the moment (but will likely someday) and I hadn't seen your original posts on this topic Main Sail, and so was oblivious to this issue until I noticed this post. The pictures are worth a thousand words and will do a lot to put to rest some of the inevitable opinions that otherwise would be expressed to the contrary.

It was interesting reading a response to your prior post on this topic that indicated only a small percentage of the moored boats were doing the right thing and removing their anchors. I would have been one of those, simply out of ignorance of the problem. I certainly would appreciate someone calling this risk to my attention, rather than unknowingly allowing my boat and others around me to be left at risk.

Of course creating this awareness is the purpose our your making this post - thank you! Clearly many are still not getting the word though - must not be closely monitoring Sailnet .

If my boat was in a mooring field like one shown in your pics, I'd be tempted to print off a bunch of copies of this thread (including the pics), put them each in a plastic bag with "For your consideration" sharpied on the bag, and go around with a tender tossing a copy into the cockpits of the boats with an anchor left on the bow. I for one would appreciate finding such useful information.
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In the first photo you can clearly see that the mooring pendants are coming off the bow, not running up the bowsprit at all.

Yeah SD, I see that now - my mistake from earlier



I would also wonder what kind of damage the anchor when it first got pulled down into that position by the anchor rodes. The bow clearly shows a second anchor stowed on the roller, and the first anchor is hanging much lower than the second. If it wasn't stowed and secured in the fully retracted position, then that would have gone a long way to contributing to this situation.

Yes, Its not pretty and was obviously close to causing other dramas. It has made me think - I have 2 anchors set up, with individual, independant chain. I am thinking that if I was on a mooring, I would have only one anchor up on deck and from teh outer bow roller, run the mooring line - so it is clear of any and all potential snags.
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