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My nightmare scenario is being on an uninhabited island or some other far flung locale, away from help, and running into some bad guys while I am alone with Cate. Use your imagination, think about the worst possibility. That is why I would carry while cruising.

Someone stealing my dink or other boat stuff would not necessitate me shooting (at) them, just "life or death" pirate scenarios where help is unavailable. Nor would I draw a gun on someone breaking into my boat while I am sleeping in a marina in the states.

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Very salient concerns. I have read similar stories on Noonsite. Something to also keep in mind is advance detection of someone coming onto the boat surreptitiously. Having a weapon is near useless if you cannot access it (i.e. asleep). Can you lock the hatch to your boat while you are asleep? Is there such thing as a proximity alarm (might even double for other boats and debris getting close while you are anchored. It might also become a nuisance as well and then it gets disregarded making less than worthless.

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Goooday Erps,

Well, you do what you want.

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Funny, but not cool.

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And people wonder why otherwise civilized threads go awry?

St Anna, please enlighten us: How would somebody provisioning themselves with arms make them less likely to survive? (Assuming they're not going to run afoul of jurisdictions in which doing so is against the law, of course, as erps indicated.)

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Was neither funny nor cool, IMO.

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If you are fully parniod then you may want to put some trip wires at key points on your boat, Nail board (points up) on the ladder going below into your cabin.
But if you wake up thinking or knowing that some one has boarded your boat. Please remember those trip wires & nail boards so you don't fall into your own booby-traps. Painic mode can cause you or your SO major pains. So be careful if you go this route....

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Ok,

I shouldnt have reacted, but as I said "do what you want to do" - most of you are just speculating and are just weekend warriors. You lot only base your views on your own daily experiences. Jeez, it must be scarily bad over there.

Now Jim, in answer to your question; hypothetical situation - you walk/ sail with your family into a drug deal and you pull out your firearm. [because, as erps did say; you feel that somehow you have a 'right' ]

What the issue is about for me is that it is arrogance that makes someone feel they need to have a firearm when cruising to other cultures. None of you are talking about protection against a crocodile for example.


Anyway , you go for it Jim.


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If you are fully parniod then you may want to put some trip wires at key points on your boat, Nail board (points up) on the ladder going below into your cabin.
But if you wake up thinking or knowing that some one has boarded your boat. Please remember those trip wires & nail boards so you don't fall into your own booby-traps. Painic mode can cause you or your SO major pains. So be careful if you go this route....
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because, as erps did say; you feel that somehow you have a 'right'
It's not a feeling. It's international law.

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The basic principle under Customary International Law is that only the Flag State is entitled to exercise jurisdiction over a ship/yacht on the high seas. Therefore there is no legal prohibition on having firearms onboard on the high seas.
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Saved my life once off Costa Rica. So yes, in some places, you take weapons.

But if you have them, you must really, really be ready to kill someone. That's that hard part, and the part you can't trust others to do, even if you can trust yourself.

But in general, you really want to avoid places where you need guns, ashore as well as afloat.
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It's not a feeling. It's international law.

Sorry mate, that has to be the biggest load of BS ever said.

That comment is all I am complaining about. You carry 'arms' if you want to, but you do not have any legal standing anywhere in the civilised world.

Firearms must be declared and in most countries, they will be held in bond until you leave.

As to this post - let us agree that we think differently. I wont say any more on it.


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Saved my life once off Costa Rica. So yes, in some places, you take weapons.
Did you have to shoot, or was displaying it enough? Were there any repurcussions with the law afterwards? Was it a declared firearm when you entered the country?

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