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Oh crap , here we go again.

Look the whole world knows how dear to the heart of the average citizen of the good ol' USA is the 2nd Amendment but to be frank we don't really care. It is your right and privilege....in the USA....nowhere else.

If you take guns into most other nations around the globe you will at best have them confiscated, at worse you'll go to gaol, indeed you'll go directly to gaol, 'go' is not a waypoint on this particular chart, nor is collecting $200.00.

Now you may well sit on your high horse and let those damned fureners know that they are trampling on your Gard Given Rights but you'll be doing it, eg, in an Indonesion gaol, and that is not a fun place to be, high horse or no high horse. Of course there may well be people reading this who are not in the least bit threatened by the thought of unprotected anal sex, hiv-aids, dysentry and hepatitis though I suspect their number is few so I'm preaching to the rest of you.

The point then really is moot. Whether you would like to carry, whether it is you right and privilege to do so you would be a very silly person indeed if you did so outside of US territory.
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Sounds like TDW wishes he could but lives in the wrong country and would ever figure out which end to point at the target
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The problem is that most in the US don't even know the full text of the 2nd amendment.... they just like to cut off that part about a well regulated militia being the reason we all get to have our guns..... look it up and read it.
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Sounds like TDW wishes he could but lives in the wrong country and would ever figure out which end to point at the target
English- do you speak it?
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I will carry when I am out, every time. I will carry a .44 mag lever action, as the same size round works for a revolver. I know that it is a hassle, but I have arrested too many pirates and been around too much bad stuff to not. I wish I didn't know what I know, but then again, don't we all.
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The problem is that most in the US don't even know the full text of the 2nd amendment.... they just like to cut off that part about a well regulated militia being the reason we all get to have our guns..... look it up and read it.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

That's every bit of it, according to the national archives...

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Oh crap , here we go again.
You made a very valid point, that carrying a firearm in many locals can result in significant legal complications. What may be legal in the US, should not be construed to be legal elsewhere.

That point could also have been made without being quite so condescending and inflammatory.

Just sayin'...
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CB, More reading for you

You might do a bit more reading:

"The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the right to keep and bear arms. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights.

Two Supreme Court rulings, District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) and McDonald v. Chicago (2010), clarified the meaning of the Second Amendment. In Heller, the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm (unconnected to service in a militia)[1][2] and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Additionally, the Court enumerated several longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession that it found were consistent with the Second Amendment.[3] In McDonald, the Court determined that the Second Amendment limits state and local governmental authority to the same extent that it limits federal authority."
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I will carry when I am out, every time. I will carry a .44 mag lever action, as the same size round works for a revolver. I know that it is a hassle, but I have arrested too many pirates and been around too much bad stuff to not. I wish I didn't know what I know, but then again, don't we all.
It seems to me that it comes to balancing a number of opposing factors.
  • Carrying a firearm can lead to legal issues in most non-US ports and possibly even in some US ports.
  • Having a weapon available could possible prevent injury and death to your person.
  • Having a weapon available could possibly escalate an encounter with those with criminal intent from robbery to violence.
  • There is also the question of when and if the cruiser is willing to use deadly force. Not a simple question for any but the simple minded.
  • Perceived risks in your particular cruising grounds.

I can see folks evaluating the above and coming to very different conclusions based on how much weight they give to each of those considerations.
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You might do a bit more reading:

"The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the right to keep and bear arms. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights.
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Yeah, but the OP question was about carrying a firearm on board a vessel, not about the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.
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