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A slip neighbor with a Catalina with no mid-ship cleat mentioned that when single-handing, he would tie a long line from the bow cleat to the stern cleat, come in just fast enough to maintain steerage way, reverse to stop, hop on the finger dock, and secure things while using the long line to control the boat. I can envision a few risks with this approach in a strong crosswind, but would be interested in hearing thoughts from the "panel". I have a mid-ship cleat and I've been using it as suggested in the posts above, but I've wondered about trying the long-line approach as an alternative.
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Improvised amidships cleat

John ... I don't currently have an amidships cleat either ... however, I ran a line from my bow cleat to the stern cleat with a thimble spliced in the middle (make sure it is outside the stanchions!) ... I attach the spring line to the thimble and follow captain Jack Klang's method (a good instructional dvd if you are so inclined ... I have no affiliation with Captain Jack)



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I have a contessa 26, a small 26 footer. Any suggestions as to where I could mount an amidships cleat? Would it be a plain stupid idea to tie a line around the mast for docking purposes?
My slip setup as well as general wind direction tends to mean the wind is either from a stern or side on to the slip. Very seldom do I get a side off slip wind, therefore I am lacking in practice for said maneuver.

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If you have a perforated toerail you can tie/shackle a line to that where appropriate... in some cases the shroud chainplate might be used.

We routinely had to dock our former 40 footer in strong 15-25knot crosswinds. The approach depends on whether or not you'll be blown onto the dock, or off the dock. If you're being blown onto the dock, taking a 20 degree or so approach angle from upwind, with some speed to avoid side drift and aggressive use of reverse to stop worked for us. Generally (our boat tended to blow bow down first) securing the stern line first held the boat in place nicely.

If you're going to be blown off the dock, we would approach with speed from downwind, again at a 20 degree angle or so, using your 'forward' momentum to counteract and minimize downwind drift. You need to be smart about getting a line on the dock, though, as indicated above and a midship line does work best there. We've also seen people use a 'grapple' hook on docks with bullrails.. this can work but you don't want to 'miss' or overthrow the thing. Precautionary fenders on the neighbour's side is always a good idea if there's clearance for them.

Since you need some speed for control, the angle approach gives you some options if you notice increased side drift.. with a straight-in parallel approach you can end up mis-aligned with too much momentum to stop in time.. and with a resulting dock rash...or worse..

Whatever you do, don't try to 'fend off' a moving boat by hand or foot.. real injury can result.

Hopefully there's not a strong same-direction tide running.. that just makes things nasty.
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Here is a sailboat docking stern to...not really med moored as he doesn't have an anchor out, or maybe he picked up anchor rode of an already deployed anchor from adjacent boat.

YouTube - ńŒehi - jadralski problem / Czechs - sailing problem

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Great thread

I have a contessa 26, a small 26 footer. Any suggestions as to where I could mount an amidships cleat? Would it be a plain stupid idea to tie a line around the mast for docking purposes?
My slip setup as well as general wind direction tends to mean the wind is either from a stern or side on to the slip. Very seldom do I get a side off slip wind, therefore I am lacking in practice for said maneuver.

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Can you reach your mast from the dock? Or the dock from your mast? Probably not, and jumping back and forth isn't a very sound option when a midship cleat (use a stantion base in a pinch if you have to) is so much easier and safer. Mount'em or use something you can attach to a toe rail if you have them.
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I had no midship cleat, so I added this:


I'm still saving up to buy a second one.

If you're on a tighter budget you could add this instead, but I liked the lower profile of the one above:

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For those without mid ship lines, the base of the shrouds will also work. For those who think that the load is too much, think about the load close hauled with a strong wind.
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I had no midship cleat, so I added this:

I have to laugh! Bought one and made due for a long time. Got the other 'one' for a special B-Day present from the admiral. When we take them off for racing, it's one of the rare things I remind everyone who's touching them that they're the same price as two nice winch handles! It's not a kersploosh I want to hear.(but they're really great bits for sure!)
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The other advantages of the schaefers are that they're single piece bodies, not bolted together, so are probably a lot stronger. Also, you can run the line through the center of them to attach an eyesplice securely, which you can't do on the latter ones.
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I'm still saving up to buy a second one.

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With respect to your followup post on narrow clearances and drift between pilings, the only suggestion is to approach with your bow pointed slightly to toward the windward side of the slip and turn in as close to that windward side of the slip as possible. Since the bow is narrower than the mid-ship, you might be able to make that turn a second later than you think, as you are going to be blown off.

The best way to feel comfortable in snugging up against a slip is to install permanent fenders (not just a rub rail) horizontally to the dock itself. They can't jump over like those hanging from the boat. You can generally space them apart every few feet.

Also, take some comfort that there are conditions that the boat can't be docked in. I have to back into my slip and if the cross winds are over 20 kts, I can not control the bow on a backing in approach. Even with the bow thruster on continuously, the wind will push it off. I have to dock bow first if crosswinds are substantial. While rare, if the conditions are really boiling, I may choose to wait them out at the fuel dock (no one else is usually around if its that bad) or at a mooring.
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