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Chris,

Been thinking a little more about this. Before ripping your engine
out you might want to try going out without the engine, life threatening
situations excluded, for a month or so to see how it goes? More here:

Engineless?

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Chris,

Been thinking a little more about this. Before ripping your engine
out you might want to try going out without the engine, life threatening
situations excluded, for a month or so to see how it goes? More here:

Engineless?

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Good advice. We broke down last year only 40 miles from home. It took us two days to sail halfway home and we still had Deception Pass between us and our slip. It was another adventure, but it wasn't fun. Like other safety equipment, I'd rather have it and not use it than the other way around.

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before dropping the main they get hit with a puff and come in wayyyy hot and crash the bow into the dock.
Chris:

Crashing into a dock would be your problem, as the dock would probably "win".

I'm more concerned about your crashing into my boat as you try to navigate the fairway under sail only.

Yes, great skill to have, but not at the risk of damaging my boat.

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I have a 15hp outboard on my tender which is much less weight than your sailboat. I can go through 5 gallons of gas a day pretty easy. Now, that is planning out and pulling kids, etc, but my point is that they are horribly inefficient (my 54 hp diesel yanmar sucks 1 gph at max cruising speed). BTW, my outboard was like $2200 IIRC. Yamaha. New. How much are you going to get for that diesel engine once you rip it out... assuming you can even find a buyer? Plus, instead of storing diesel on your boat, you now are storing gas which stinks and is explosive. And storing gasoline on decks is a real pain in the butt. The tanks get hot and expand and contract and often will begin losing their gas via vapor. And storing it down below where it stays ot of the direct sun is crazy. I hate gasoline... though it is a neccessary evil for us as cruisers (us... not everyone).

I think ripping out your diesel is a terrible idea. Want to go without the engine? Fine. Go without it. But leave it in there and fil up your tanks with diesel. Better to have it and not need it than the other way around. Also (as was mentioned) is the point of charging your batteries - or are you going to go with all solar panels or a gas generator too? I dropped over $7,000 in my solar setup to be independent. If you go the gas generator option, once again, you have to carry even MORE gas. Plus, you now have the cost of buying the gas generator too. WHen this is all said and done, I seriously doubt you will save one penny from ripping out that diesel. In fact, it might cost a small fortune.

I think a diesel engine is a sailors best friend. They are reliable, the are efficient, and they are safe. They are not as reliable as sails, but I have sure spent many a day out there with zero wind and would have hated not having a diesel. I almost always am fighting opposing currents and wind to dock or make a tight channel. And to be honest, there will be many, many, many areas of the ICW that you will not be able to transit under sail.

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PS Yes, all of this is from experience. And the adage that the old sailors did it without engines is not completely true. They had oars and rowed - and did it quite proficiently. And quite candidly, they were a lot better sailors than most of us. But I bet you money that if there were such things as engines, they would have had them aboard.

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Chris,
Having trouble getting all my thoughts on one post, a "senior moment"
I guess. If you pull the engine you will lose about 400 lbs of weight
down low which may have a negative effect on the boat's stability if
not replaced. Even if you use lead bars they will take up some space
and should definitely be well secured.

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I have been engineless, by accident not on purpose, when we hit a fishing net under - taking out our transmission (we were really transmissionless, the engine was OK). That was in the middle of the Pacific high - no wind. It was one of the most trying experiences in my boating experience.

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If you pull the engine you will lose about 400 lbs of weight
down low which may have a negative effect on the boat's stability if
not replaced. Even if you use lead bars they will take up some space
and should definitely be well secured.
I would imagine there is some room down in the bilge to add 400 lbs? The Alberg designed boat I have has a stupid deep bilge.

I would imagine that once you are 'out there', the docking issue wouldn't come up often if you anchor-out.
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One that has not been mentioned, not sure how many times I have read where a person gets anchored, and a storm rolls in, and the motor is what keeps them from dragging anchor(s)! granted not full power, but enough to take some 20-30% of the winds, ie hurricane force! off the anchor, them in the water vs on the shore.

I've rowed across lake washington as a teen with my 8' pram enough when the wind died, ie 2-3 miles to not want a boat without a motor. OR the time my oar locks broke, then had to hitch a tow. Then with currents in the 5-8 knot range locally, ie Puget Sound/ salish sea including the BC waters north of me. No wind, 8 knot current in front of you, not that my motor will over power 8 knots, none the less, I would keep my 20hp Yanmare 2gm20! or what ever the model number is.....

Hot water heater, working fridge......do not have them now, a bit of water heated on the stove is all one needs to daily wash with etc. Ice, will last a few days, to a week if you have a "REALLY" good ice chest! Enough for most passages. And if you need more ice than 5-7 days, you better have lots of canned, freezed dried or dehydrated food along, or something that will last more than food in a fridge or equal. IC is obviously out the door!

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I'm with you on the composting head, get rid of the holding tank, etc... For two people, composting is the way to go. That'll free up some room!

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