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I have been engineless, by accident not on purpose, when we hit a fishing net under - taking out our transmission (we were really transmissionless, the engine was OK). That was in the middle of the Pacific high - no wind. It was one of the most trying experiences in my boating experience.

If you are committed, you might want to look at the work of Lin and Larry Pardey. (Sailing Blog | Nautical Book Authors | Lin & Larry Pardey)

I'd rather hear your story. It sounds fascinating.

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I have never sought advise on something I was 99% sure of...

If the $5,000 you believe you will get from the sale of your used Diesel motor is going to have an impact on your life then I doubt you are financially able to drop everything and sail off into the Sunset without a backward glance.

My advise would be to save up the $5,000 required to charter a boat for 10 days. Fly to the Bahamas and go for 10 days with the motor off... see how it works for you. If you need to start the motor once for any reason then you have your answer.

This thread to me seems like an answer looking for a problem, i.e. you want help in convincing yourself of a poor choice.

My 2 cents.
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While I can totally relate to the 'purist,' ideals, I think the buck definently stops at the diesel. No AC? Fine. Only the bare minimum in electronics? Sure. Relying 100% on sails and wind power with plans of crossing the Pacific? mmmmmmmmmm no. I am looking for a boat right now in the 25' foot range that I will take from FL to the Bahamas and back and I do not even consider boats with outboards. Its diesel or nothing. If its nothing, maybe Ill see if your interested
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Yes, me too.
Rather than posting here I may start another thread. Although I think I may have a posting with the story somewhere on this site.

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I have never sought advise on something I was 99% sure of...


This thread to me seems like an answer looking for a problem, i.e. you want help in convincing yourself of a poor choice.

My 2 cents.

Bingo! I was just going to write the same thing. If you are this easily swayed by the people that have replied here on something you are/were 99% sure of, then you haven't thought this through nearly enough. Did you not run all the scenarios that have been brought up here before making your decision? If not, why not? If you're going to do it, do it, but nothing that has been said here should have been news to you if you have rationally thought about this decision.
My two cents, added to the above two cents, with another couple of bucks you can buy a cup of coffee.

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I dream of the same thing, but I would never attempt it. Read some books about sailing in the old days and you will realize several things about engine-less sailing.

1) You will go aground. Not just a couple of times, but frequently. No mater how much planing you do there will always be currents and weather patterns you cannot forsee.

2) You will have good groundings and bad groundings. Hope for a sandbar, fear the rocky lee shore.

2) You will get caught in weather you don't want to be in.

3) If one of you is critically injured or incapacitated, you are making it difficult and perhaps impossible to get them medical assistance in time to save their life.

As others have said, an engine is a piece of safety equipment. It is technology that allows you to overcome some of the unknown adversity that will be thrown at you "out there".
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I didn't mean to sound like the grouchy old guy I probably am, but if I were 99% sure I was going to do something then that would mean there was only a 1% chance that I could be talked out of whatever hairbrained idea I'd had. Maybe instead of "99%" you should have used "50%", which would have been viewed as trying to open a dialogue about the advantages/disadvatages of going engineless if you weren't almost 100% sure of your decision?
For the record, I think you've gotten excellent advice from the forum on this subject and whatever your decision I hope it works out for you and that your cruise turns out to be everything you dreamed it would be.

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3) If one of you is critically injured or incapacitated, you are making it difficult and perhaps impossible to get them medical assistance in time to save their life.

As others have said, an engine is a piece of safety equipment. It is technology that allows you to overcome some of the unknown adversity that will be thrown at you "out there".
Unless your in coastal waters, generally, having an engine isn't going to make much of a difference if one of you is critically injured. Rescue will still be days off. This is why I strongly suggest that any couples cruising or wanting to go cruising stick with a boat that EITHER of them can singlehand under all conditions.

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Chris,

After all is said and done, as I mentioned earlier, try going engineless
for a couple of months or so and come to your own conclusions. You will then
have some actual experience at it.

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I sailed for many years without one.
With one boat, my berth was at the end of a long narrow tongue, and wind always came from that direction so getting home was a 45 minute tacking session (a slight timing error could easily double it). I later installed a small 10hp outboard.

I don't have to use the motor, have the skill to make it home under sail, but the motor allows me to actually sail more without having to get home with plenty of light left to see with, and to beat the crowd of moored boats, and avoid tacking around the morons who think anchoring in the middle of a channel is OK because 'it's late and there's not a lot of traffic here'

My current boat doesn't have an inboard, but it does have an outboard well, and has one installed.

One trip back to the dock took four tries because of bad wind conditions, puffs that would stop you halfway or send you back, or calms that would leave you in glassy water with no momentum. Finally had a friend tow me in .

I for one do like the outboard in the well, it may not be the most efficient propulsion around, but it takes up less room, and I can carry a spare, and I don't have any penetrations under the water line.

Inboards are great, but take up a lot of room that could be used for something else, my boat was available with one, but where it would be there is enough room for a comfortable and roomy single bunk. (discovered that while inspecting the rudder tube! very roomy and comfortable!) Currently used for storage of seldom used, but have to have heavier 'junk' tool boxes, batteries, spare parts, sails, extra anchors etc. For that huge storage space I give up a small amount of space at the stern
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