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I didn't mean to sound like the grouchy old guy I probably am,
Not a chance! That grouchy old guy offerred to drop everything he was doing to come and give us a tow when we were trying to make it back home last summer. We didn't take him up on it, but it gave us some peace of mind to know that JRD22 was nearby if we really needed help.

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Unless your in coastal waters, generally, having an engine isn't going to make much of a difference if one of you is critically injured. Rescue will still be days off. This is why I strongly suggest that any couples cruising or wanting to go cruising stick with a boat that EITHER of them can singlehand under all conditions.
If you call for help offshore, you will most likely be first rendered assistance by a nearby commercial vessel. If that vessel is to windward, or the air is dead, you wouldn't want to have an engine? In the case of severe injury every second counts.
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The only issue that I can think of is resale value. When you finally go to sell the boat you are going to have to SERIOUSLY discount the price. And if you're thinking, "Well, I'll just sell it to someone like me who doesn't want an engine!"

Good luck on that. Noticed those listings on Yachtworld that have been there, with ever lowering prices, for three or four years? Count on your engineless boat taking 3-4 times that long to sell if you don't discount it enough to pay for a new engine installation.

But, if that's okay with you, then I would say go for it. I think the suggestion to try doing a few months of sailing without ever using the engine (no cheating!) is a good one. If you find that you just HAVE to cheat now and then, you are not ready to go without an engine.
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My point is that if the nearest ship is 300 NM away... having an engine won't really make much of a difference. It will still be over a day to getting any sort of aid...and if the incident is that serious, it likely won't matter if it takes you three days or just two to get help. For less serious injuries... yes, it will help.

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If you call for help offshore, you will most likely be first rendered assistance by a nearby commercial vessel. If that vessel is to windward, or the air is dead, you wouldn't want to have an engine? In the case of severe injury every second counts.

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I checked your site... neat! ...when you had time to ask Abby Sunderland questions, did you get her feedback on going engineless? or how would she have maintained any control when bare poled? i dont think the good sailnet folks are bangin on you, they just give their honest opinion which is valuable.

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A cautionary tale.
I run a small Tartan 27 owners group on yahoo. We had one member who ditched his engine and had dreams of coastal cruising his boat as might have been done 200 years ago. He fixed his boat up (deck re-core, water tank where engine was etc etc) but after a few years of working on the boat his plans changed. He offered to sell the boat to anyone in the group and had no takers. He finally listed the boat on e-bay and another member put in a low ball bid and won. That member now has two Tartan 27s, one with an engine and the other without. The guy who fixed the boat up did very diligent and good work so the new owner was contemplating switching his engine out of the one boat and into the other.
I felt pretty badly for the guy who had such old school dreams but he had fun working on the boat but sadly never got to sail it.

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Wow, I would give going engine-less a 99% negative rating in this thread, which I cannot ignore.

I honestly believed we could do this anywhere (since we do it here), but you guys are definitely giving me pause.
A couple of thoughts... having never sailed in C.Bay, but sailing in one's home waters with local knowledge of tides, conditions, etc.... is a completely different experience than sailing (or motoring ) into or along an unfamiliar harbor or coast. The things we do with great confidence locally all have to be reconsidered from the ground up when in unfamiliar waters. Local heroes are easily cowed in bigger ponds beyond their first hand knowledge. An engine is insurance for when you eventually (and we all do eventually) run into trouble in a new area. Figure you could sail your boat into a slip in a new marina in 25kts of breeze? Or find good bottom in a tight anchorage in that same 25 kts? And you want to be fiddling around with an OB somehow mounted to your boat (are you thinking an engine well? Could be a good solution, but not as good as an inboard on your boat) in new and tight places? When looking out for commercial traffic? Or dealing with localized current conditions that aren't in the cruising guide? Just doesn't seem very smart. Sure, chuck the fridge, etc..., but keep your engine.

The other thing is related to your concerns for personal security a la the guns while cruising thread. Using your operating logic about guns (again, i have no issue with that... carry what you want. It's your call), without an engine, you're much more at the mercy of the elements and the kindness of strangers when you'll eventually need a tow off a sandbar, or your stuck wallowing around in no wind off a distance coast... the bad guys you fear will quickly figure you're unable to move, and you'll have successfully made yourself a nice target. In terms of prioritizing safety, I'd think an engine would be a much better personal security investment than any gun.

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Having had the same boat in 4 places on Long Island over a 30 year time frame

On the great south bay example there is more or less no current or (tide < 18" ) and it pretty much always blows But all boats come out of narrow rivers

On the Peconic a LOT more current (3 knots at some places) and a bit more tide, good wind ,But all boats again come out of twisty narrow places

Greenport LOT of tide and current as in you better go the right way or you will be a LONG time getting home even with a motor

Northport a LOT of tide and current with hit and miss wind BUT lots of moorings to sail on and off IF you can handle and overnight wait for the wind to fill back in

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I use to sail a 26' Knock-about and was able to put it just about any place I wanted to. That class of boats do not have an engine, thus you really do need to know how to sail in tight quarters.
And the larger sailboats you will learn why you depart with an ebb tide and return with a flood tide.

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