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With all due respect, i2f, if there was a tip that there was an illegal substance onboard and there actually was, I don't think that is making the case against aggressive weapons drawn boardings to inspect holding tanks. They are quite different.

For a holding tank violation, the worst outcome is a fine. For a drug arrest, the worst outcome is jail, so one might expect the later to be more confrontational. I certainly understand the over reaction you describe, but if they were operating with a tip that this was a more significant drug dealer, I don't think I would just wander in unprepared either.

If your point is that a couple of joints of pot should not be a crime, you have to fault the lawmakers that wrote the laws like this. The police are expected to enforce them as written. That same principal applies to their right to board your boat when they please. For those about to flame on, please separate the reportedly inappropriate method they've used from the right they have to come aboard in the first place.

All this anger and frustration should be focused at those that wrote the laws this way.
Actually the worst outcome if weapons are drawn can be DEATH! If pulling the trigger was an acident or on purpose. And there are no reasons for a weapon to be drawn if you are on patrol checking to see if the honey locker is in use or not.
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i2f, introduced this victim as another example in post #74.
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"IF" the police boarded the boat, unannounced, unprovoked, with weapons drawn, it was totally inappropriate and culpable. The question is whether we know enough about what actually happened.

"IF" they boarded first, asked for everyone to come above deck, were given lip and someone below was rummaging around and refusing to come out, that is very different. They may have boarded for a honey locker inspection, but would have no idea what they might have stumbled upon.

Many LEOs have been shot after pulling someone over for speeding.

The point is, we don't really know all the facts. The OPs rendition has some overselling in it, which makes me suspicious. The second vicitim has been documented as a real hot head, which makes me suspicious. The fact that southern LEOs have the reputation of harassing out of state residents, has me suspicious. The fact that there are environmental activists that are probably giggling at our outrage, has me suspicious. The fact that municipalities need the money, has me suspicious.

The whole thing stinks. Hey, good pun?
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Well put Minnewaska ....
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Surely in a country where LEOs carry weapons you can expect them to make use of them.Particularly in a state noted for its conservative right wing politics!
Even over here I once got pulled over by heavily armed Customs Officers who boarded me at speed from a RIB
Whats the problem-or is it because you are like me white male middle class caucasian? and it doesnt happen to us.
I say this because my brothers partner happens to be ex pat male Cuban who was brought up in Florida and despite his families high status in Florida is often pulled over at gun point for minor traffic violations! because he looks Cuban;Mexican call it what you will!
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Wow

Ok, I just revisited this thread after reading it up to date a week or two ago. Sully, as in Sean Sullivan, was the victim of the potty police?

I am sorry, that just made me laugh. Then it made me think of a guy I used to work with, that got hauled into jail for mouthing off to an officer. Then, his wife got jailed when she came to post bail. If you knew the guy, you would have understood that it was only a matter of time.

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Surely in a country where LEOs carry weapons you can expect them to make use of them.Particularly in a state noted for its conservative right wing politics!
That's cheap shot. Do you really think cops check their trigger finger at the door when their state leadership is left wing?
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Choose to believe Sully, or not. It was another example of Valousia County. If a couple of joints that have been reported by a third party. & was never found on the boat is okay to spends tens of thousands of dollars when a squad car will do. Then I am sure you are ok with granny & the butter knife.

I myself entering Govt. Cut in Miami by the C.G. Money disappeared from my nav station. Holes cut in my boat. good cop, bad cop they will imprison me if I don't confess. After 3 1/2 hours of BS I told them to get off the boat, or cuff me. They got off the boat, and first thing in the morning I called the commanding officer. They slammed my boat while I was dead in the water, so they could board in attack mode.

Kind of funny he knew exactly which person had which role. He chewed some butt, and later called me. Warned me I need to have all my bells & whistles in order. Reason being they would be looking for me, and any minor infraction of the law. Months llater when the saw me again coming into Govt. Cut. I was standing on one of the bows with my right hand in the air showing them my I.Q. extended from my right hand. Some people just don't know how to handle authority.

As typed many times here already. The officer who boarded for what ever reason. He should 've had everyone on deck before entering the cabin. He was way over the line of what should've been done. He should be fired, and then those behind him will act within reason.....i2f
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When I was working commercially, the USCG have boarded the boats that I was on a few times. I was always curtious to them and they responded in kind. There is nothing like offering a cup of coffee or a soda to ease the tension of the situation. And the Harbor Police in fourchon LA boarded due to my having a medical problem and they expediated the ambulance to the pier. It was too stormy for life flight to take to the air...
So not all of us have had bad experiences with the LEOs. But for the five speeding tickets when I rode motorcycles... for some unknown reason the bike wouldn't travel under a hundred MPH.

But if you feel that you are being really dumped on... Then record the incident for evidence. Either by someone with a camera or with security cameras spotted in key places of your vessel. Actually both at the same time will work. Then if they ask or order that person to stop filming then those hidden security cameras will probably not be noticed...
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When you're flat on your ass wondering why it is so quiet and wtf just happened...A big uniform with a gunbelt can be a very welcome sight. The bottom line is, cops are just mortals. Employees, in fact, not employers or masters. Some are good, some are bad, and if we want to make sure they are ALL good ones, someone has to step up and help take out the trash.

Someone mentioned to a troop safety office (State Troopers) in a class that cops used their red lights for donut runs, and he said "Not ours, and you won't do it either. If we catch someone making improper use of the red light, the first time he gets a ten day suspension without pay. The second time he gets a month off without pay. There is no third time."

Some outfits simply hold themselves to a higher standard than others.
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