Sinking of Rule 62 - Page 61 - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest > General Discussion (sailing related)
 Not a Member? 


Like Tree7Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #601  
Old 04-26-2011
smackdaddy's Avatar
Last Man Standing
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 13,000
Thanks: 81
Thanked 73 Times in 67 Posts
Rep Power: 9
smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough
Thanks for the feedback guys. That's exactly what I was thinking. I have no doubt that the rally organizers make sure that all the details are covered. But, I tend to agree with Jon that the underlying collective notion of the rally, rightly or wrongly, is the implied safety of making your first passage in a "group". (I took a quick look at the site and don't see where they specifically make this claim.)

This notion could mean trouble from the outset - especially in a very questionable start like they had. For example, if you're a newb and the other boats are headed out into stuff that made guys like Ausp head back home - you're going to follow. Because it's supposed to be "safe". And things are going to be bad. Then what?
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

S/V Dawn Treader - 1989 Hunter Legend 40
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #602  
Old 04-26-2011
chef2sail's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Maryland
Posts: 6,886
Thanks: 29
Thanked 54 Times in 50 Posts
Rep Power: 7
chef2sail will become famous soon enough
Send a message via AIM to chef2sail
No DAve...you were prudent. You weighed the risjks and rewards an d took the course of safety.

Dave
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
___________________________
S/V Haleakala (Hawaiian for" House of the Sun")
C&C 35 MKIII Hull # 76
Parkville, Maryland
(photos by Joe McCary)
Charter member of the Chesapeake Lion posse

Our blog-
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


“Sailing is just the bottom line, like adding up the score in bridge. My real interest is in the tremendous game of life.”- Dennis Conner
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #603  
Old 07-14-2011
LandLocked66c's Avatar
Sunsets and Warm Beer....
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: The Bottom of a Pint Glass...
Posts: 2,111
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 5
LandLocked66c is on a distinguished road
Still nothing out there about the owners, no lawsuits no nothing...
__________________
1971 23' Oday Pop Top
S/V Frida

You can't steer a boat that isn't moving? Just like a life - P. Lutus

Last edited by LandLocked66c; 07-14-2011 at 03:30 PM.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #604  
Old 07-14-2011
TQA's Avatar
TQA TQA is offline
Bombay Explorer 44
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,493
Thanks: 0
Thanked 37 Times in 33 Posts
Rep Power: 6
TQA is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post

It just seems this idea of safety in a pack might be a little overblown.
Of course it is overblown. The safety thing is 90+% psychological. OK you have a weather net and a locator but gribs can be downloaded via a sat phone and positions relayed ashore.

It is not unheard of for one pack member to rescue another but would they not have done so anyway if close by? One would hope so.

Anyway none of the above relates to the thread topic. They tried an entrance at a time they should not have done so. Deep water is safe water and thats where they should have been.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #605  
Old 07-15-2011
美国华人, 帆船 教授及输送
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: MD
Posts: 2,446
Thanks: 22
Thanked 19 Times in 11 Posts
Rep Power: 8
rockDAWG is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by LandLocked66c View Post
Still nothing out there about the owners, no lawsuits no nothing...
As sad as it may be, lawsuit is not justified regardless what the captain or organizer did or didn't do. Every sailor or captain should know the risks and must accept it. Stop blaming others to seek financial compensation when something go wrong.

I am sure the lawyers may have other thing to say.
__________________

Fine Print:
I am old school. Integrity is to do the right thing even when no one is watching.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #606  
Old 07-15-2011
TakeFive's Avatar
If it's blowin' I'm goin'
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Swarthmore, PA
Posts: 2,503
Thanks: 5
Thanked 43 Times in 40 Posts
Rep Power: 5
TakeFive will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by LandLocked66c View Post
Still nothing out there about the owners, no lawsuits no nothing...
Just because there is nothing in the blogosphere to satisfy lurkers' curiosity does not mean that nothing was resolved. Maybe (hopefully) the matter was settled privately (both morally and financially). That's the way it should happen when no laws are broken.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Formerly posted as "RhythmDoctor"
1998 Catalina 250WK Take Five (at Anchorage Marina, Essington, on the Delaware River)
1991 15' Trophy (Lake Wallenpaupack)
1985 14' Phantom (Lake Wallenpaupack)
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #607  
Old 07-15-2011
美国华人, 帆船 教授及输送
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: MD
Posts: 2,446
Thanks: 22
Thanked 19 Times in 11 Posts
Rep Power: 8
rockDAWG is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by RhythmDoctor View Post
Maybe (hopefully) the matter was settled privately (both morally and financially). That's the way it should happen when no laws are broken.
Unless you know more we do, I hope there is NO financial settlement in this case. Suggestion this without fact is just wrong.

If there was a settlement, it will be the beginning of the end of "Crew Want". No captains have any right mind will offer any crew position knowing he will be sued. This will be a sad day because not all sailors have money and resources to own his/her boat.

Why do we always have to blame someone for our misfortune. Do our homework, do your own risk assessment, blame GOD but don't blame the captain, put the gun in his head and fight for our survival.

If we have not done that, we die instead of the Captain. Don't get upset, it is fate. However, if the Captain did some criminal act and causes Laura to lose her life. Yes, I should go about him. But there is no trace of evident.

I am not being insensitive to the family of Laura, it is a tragedy and not necessary.

Quote:
Just because there is nothing in the blogosphere to satisfy lurkers' curiosity
Honestly, I am not being nosy, I truly want to know more than just not going into Marsh harbor at night in a rage. I may have to face this situation, and I want my crews and myself come out alive.
__________________

Fine Print:
I am old school. Integrity is to do the right thing even when no one is watching.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #608  
Old 07-15-2011
TakeFive's Avatar
If it's blowin' I'm goin'
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Swarthmore, PA
Posts: 2,503
Thanks: 5
Thanked 43 Times in 40 Posts
Rep Power: 5
TakeFive will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockDAWG View Post
Unless you know more we do, I hope there is NO financial settlement in this case. Suggestion this without fact is just wrong.

If there was a settlement, it will be the beginning of the end of "Crew Want". No captains have any right mind will offer any crew position knowing he will be sued. This will be a sad day because not all sailors have money and resources to own his/her boat...
I know nothing. That's why I started my post with "maybe."

I was not suggesting that a financial settlement was called for, just that if there was one maybe it was done privately. And as long as it was private, it will not set a precedent that interferes with you desire for free crew.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Formerly posted as "RhythmDoctor"
1998 Catalina 250WK Take Five (at Anchorage Marina, Essington, on the Delaware River)
1991 15' Trophy (Lake Wallenpaupack)
1985 14' Phantom (Lake Wallenpaupack)
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #609  
Old 07-16-2011
LandLocked66c's Avatar
Sunsets and Warm Beer....
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: The Bottom of a Pint Glass...
Posts: 2,111
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 5
LandLocked66c is on a distinguished road
Meant nothing more than I was "surprised" in this day and age that there wasn't some kind of lawsuit. That is all...
__________________
1971 23' Oday Pop Top
S/V Frida

You can't steer a boat that isn't moving? Just like a life - P. Lutus
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #610  
Old 11-16-2011
LandLocked66c's Avatar
Sunsets and Warm Beer....
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: The Bottom of a Pint Glass...
Posts: 2,111
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 5
LandLocked66c is on a distinguished road
It has now been a year...
__________________
1971 23' Oday Pop Top
S/V Frida

You can't steer a boat that isn't moving? Just like a life - P. Lutus
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Rule of thumb for Jib sheet jbrockpiano Gear & Maintenance 5 05-27-2008 08:47 AM
Rule Bilge switches DWrate Gear & Maintenance 6 08-15-2007 12:42 AM
Rule Question please d212 Racing 5 02-03-2007 09:59 AM
The Rule of 60 John Rousmaniere Her Sailnet Articles 0 08-08-2004 08:00 PM
New Handicap Rule paulk Racing 2 01-17-2003 02:07 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:17 PM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.