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I don't have lifelines or stanchions for the most part on my boat. The boat came with lifelines that mount on the amas, but they aren't generally used since the ama has a FOOT-HIGH bulwark outboard of the ama's deck. The newer models of the Telstar 28 don't even have the mounting points for the stanchions, since they were generally causes for leaking into the amas.

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I do a lot of overnight races and cant picture draging sails around and changing them without lifelines as a guide

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PY23 here, no lifelines. It came with the brackets but not the stantions/lines. I day sail on Lake Ontario and always wear a jacket on the foredeck.

I feel that the side decks are too narrow to have stantions so I will not be putting any on.

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I have a Catalina 30 and have the standard stanchions and lifelines. I tell anyone going forward to hold on the the lifelines while moving. This keeps their body low and prevents them from loosing their balance. I would not go out on the ocean without them.

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I think the sidedecks on boats around 22' are too small to have high enough lifelines. Smaller boats are also not as likely to go as far offshore. My C22 didn't have lifelines. Some did. Certainly on a C30 however.
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FWIW, my 30' "Classic" boat, like many others of similar vintage, doesn't have lifelines although I have the option to fit them for going off-shore. Instead it has a 4" ankle-high bulwark fitted right around the deck and I'd suggest that, given adequate hand-holds, that the bulwark gives at least an identical feeling of security (if not more so) than having lifelines.

If you do have lifelines fitted, aside from the "going overboard" feeling*, although, yes, they DO help hold the headsail on deck when dropped, having to skirt the thing on every tack - meaning someone going forward hence increased possiblity of them actually going overboard - is a major pain in the butt. JMO..

(*) Most yachts less than 60' LOA don't have very wide decks. When walking along a deck with lifelines fitted you can feel them pushing against your legs, which is why people feel they might go overboard. This is because the lower body is constrained inboard whilst the uppper body can move outboard making you feel that if you lost your balance due to some unexpected movement, you'll be swimming. With a bulwark or similar *high* toerail to ankle height and NO lifelines, the feeling of security increases, simply because your legs are free to move to help you balance naturally, whilst the bulwark prevents your feet from sliding on a sloping deck.

By comparision, I often race in an Adams 10 which has only a small toe-rail (and in some places nothing at all!). Having nothing to stop you going feet-first on a sloping deck makes for a HUGE feeling of insecurity in a seaway compared to having lifelines.

In summary: IMHO, for sailing on enclosed waters on a small boat, optimum feeling of security and practicality is found with an ankle-height bulwark and hand-holds along the side of the cabin and center foredeck. Next best is lifelines and worst is nothing at all..

Off-shore in a blow, you need lifelines to keep EVERYTHING on deck (not just the crew) and that's really all there is to it.

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I like my lifelines and stanchions- it gives me a place to hang stuff.
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I like my lifelines and stanchions- it gives me a place to hang stuff.
Very true. ..and somewhere to tie off the awning ..and somewhere to mount the BBQ.

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There were no lifelines on the Dyer dinghy I learn to sail on as a kid. Ironically, I was much more likely to fall out of it than I am my current boat. Still, lifelines are mandatory for me now.
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