Sad - Boat fell off its stands - Page 2 - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest > General Discussion (sailing related)
 Not a Member? 


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #11  
Old 01-12-2011
Bene505's Avatar
Glad I found Sailnet
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 3,688
Thanks: 6
Thanked 41 Times in 40 Posts
Rep Power: 8
Bene505 will become famous soon enough Bene505 will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by RhythmDoctor View Post
By the way, the two stands that I could see forward of midships WERE chained together across the boat. But the starboard one had tipped over, possibly a sign that it was extended too high, and thus the stand may have been torqued by the windage, with the chain below the center of torque.

When I bought my stands, I made sure to buy the largest ones that would fit beneath the boat (and drove up to the Catalina dealer in Riverside to inspect several C250s on the hard to verify my measurements). None of my stands are extended more than 6" out of their bases.
RD,

My compliments on your thoroughness. Driving to see a sister boat on the hard, to check measurements. Nicely done.

Regards,
Brad
__________________
.
.
Great minds discuss ideas;
Average minds discuss events;
Small minds discuss people.
.
The best minds discuss sailing. I don't know why. It's a mystery!
.

Last edited by Bene505; 01-12-2011 at 06:26 AM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #12  
Old 01-12-2011
sailingdog's Avatar
Telstar 28
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,291
Thanks: 0
Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts
Rep Power: 13
sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice
Best rule of thumb I've heard is one PAIR of boat stands PER 10' of boat length as a minimum. A 30' boat should have at least SIX STANDS.
__________________
Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #13  
Old 01-12-2011
Maine Sail's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Maine Coast
Posts: 5,472
Thanks: 12
Thanked 137 Times in 105 Posts
Rep Power: 15
Maine Sail is just really nice Maine Sail is just really nice Maine Sail is just really nice Maine Sail is just really nice
Came across this last week. I never feel good about mast up winter storage for a myriad of reasons but the number one reason is the added windage to the vessel. On land you don't have the keel opposing the vessel from the forces of wind only the boat stands that are meant for balancing the boat. A sailboat is far more stable in the water than on land and leaving the spar up can add unnecessary windage.

This boat was roughly 28 feet & this is what I saw:

1- Three stands per side + 1 bow
2- All stands had been chained
3- Boat was on solid cement parking lot
4- Boat was on proper wood keel blocking
5- Boat had mast up and apparently a huge gust blew her over.

I don't know what else could have been done differently in this case as everything was done by the book by a very knowledgeable yard. The only difference between this boat and all the other mast up boats is that this one faced beam to the prevailing winter winds and the others faced bow or stern to..

The boat yard we store at has a full disclaimer document that says if you choose to store mast up you and your insurance company are liable for any damages caused if your boat tips over.

Something to think about.


__________________
______
-Maine Sail / CS-36T


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.




© Images In Posts Property of Compass Marine Inc.


Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #14  
Old 01-12-2011
primerate84's Avatar
Just a Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 272
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 9
primerate84 is on a distinguished road
Wow, all of the pictures and discussion just turns my stomach. It's sad to see any boat damaged like these.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #15  
Old 01-12-2011
captbillc's Avatar
ancient mariner
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: duluth ,minnesota
Posts: 430
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 7
captbillc is on a distinguished road
makes me happy i keep my nimble 30 on the trailer at home during the winter. the mast stays at the marina.
__________________
Liberals are people who care about others. Freethinkers are not constrained by the myths of religion.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #16  
Old 01-12-2011
carl762's Avatar
Sundance 23
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Portland Oregon
Posts: 878
Thanks: 2
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Rep Power: 5
carl762 is on a distinguished road
Makes me sick too.

I'm glad I'm keeping mine in the water, however, we could have another Flood of 96. Almost lost the lot of the marinas that year.

But, my current worry is snow accumulation.
__________________
Water is Life
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by carl762; 01-12-2011 at 05:50 PM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #17  
Old 01-16-2011
TakeFive's Avatar
Proud "picnic sailor"
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Swarthmore, PA
Posts: 2,709
Thanks: 6
Thanked 54 Times in 51 Posts
Rep Power: 6
TakeFive will become famous soon enough
I was back down at my boat today and I had a better camera and a little better light. So I wandered back to that other boat yard to get a closer look at the boat that fell over. I have some much better pictures, and a better idea of what happened.

The boat was definitely up on concrete cinderblocks - bad idea. You can see evidence that the mast got pushed to starboard, and the blocks fell to port due to torque on the mast. It makes me really glad I dropped the mast on my boat. I did it because I wanted to do some upgrades on the masthead over the winter, but I think I'll drop it every year now that I've built a gin pole.

And contrary to what I said before, you can see unpainted spots where the pads had been - and the new grey paint in the edges of the pads. So it's possible this guy had not moved the stands.

FYI, the registration sticker on the boat expired March 2010, so this would appear to be a restoration job.













I had previously suggested that the stands were extended up too far. You can see by the position of the cam screw that this is not the case here.



Since I had more time to look around, I checked out some of the neighboring boats and saw lots of examples of poor practices - concrete blocks under the keels, stands too small for the height, and insufficient number of stands. I am SO GLAD that I decided to go elsewhere to store my boat:









__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Formerly posted as "RhythmDoctor"
1998 Catalina 250WK Take Five (at Anchorage Marina, Essington, on the Delaware River)
1991 15' Trophy (Lake Wallenpaupack)
1985 14' Phantom (Lake Wallenpaupack)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #18  
Old 01-16-2011
T37Chef's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 4,305
Thanks: 73
Thanked 38 Times in 33 Posts
Rep Power: 9
T37Chef will become famous soon enough
Unbelievable.

The last pic with the sea ray is an accident waiting to happen, 4 jack stands??? Concrete blocks??? WTF
__________________
Cheers,
Shawn & the crew of S/V Windgeist

1982 Tartan 37 CB - Hull #358


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #19  
Old 01-16-2011
danielgoldberg's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: New York
Posts: 679
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 7
danielgoldberg is on a distinguished road
On the bright side, perhaps there's an insurance company out there that now will complete the refit. Lemons into lemonade!
__________________
Dan Goldberg

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #20  
Old 01-16-2011
JimMcGee's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Barnegat Bay, NJ
Posts: 1,434
Thanks: 24
Thanked 32 Times in 30 Posts
Rep Power: 10
JimMcGee is on a distinguished road
I noticed the cinder blocks under the keel were stacked three high, so she was really up in the air. That couldn't have helped.

I saw this as I was heading down to check on my boat today. I was feeling pretty good that my yard did it right -- then I saw MaineSail's post...
__________________
95 Catalina 30 Island Time

If a man is to be obsessed by something, I suppose a boat is as good as anything, perhaps a bit better than most" - E.B. White
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
How many boat stands do you have? downeast450 General Discussion (sailing related) 3 02-08-2010 09:56 AM
Fell in love today at the boat show... labatt General Discussion (sailing related) 9 10-07-2007 09:14 PM
Boat stands sailaway21 Gear & Maintenance 4 11-20-2006 08:51 AM
Woman who fell from boat not hurt (CentralOhio.com) NewsReader News Feeds 0 06-16-2006 02:20 PM
Boat Stands LDH Gear & Maintenance 3 06-05-2005 06:43 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:37 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.