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......I'd imagine it also depends on the marina. A higher priced, more exclusive marina may look down on liveaboards, but a lower-priced marina may want to have them.
I suspect that some will take exception to that. However, I think it's generally accurate. Makes one think about why it's the case.
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...........A couple years ago we had a houseboat at the marina. The town gave the marina a real hard time about the houseboat, claiming that this allowed the people living on the boats to avoid their "fair share" of local taxes. The town was trying to claim that the liveaboards could put a strain on local resources because they would use services like schools, DPW, fire, police, etc. without paying for them.
This doesn't seem to make any sense to me. Renting a slip has no different bearing on local tax revenues than renting an apartment. Certainly, there ar4e far more people renting apartments than living aboard vessels. Take care and joy, Aythya crew
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Liveaboards also look out for other boats and the marina. We've prevented thefts of marina and rental boat equipment, reported and fought fires, kept other boats from sinking, and tied up other boats with our own lines that the absent owners didn't care enough to prep for upcoming hurricanes and would have presented a hazard for every other boat in the place. At least in my marina, most of the liveaboard boats are better maintained than the general lot just because we are there to do it. Every time I walk down the dock I look at the waterline of every boat I see.
I fully agree with Toucanook. I'm not a liveaboard, but having some in the marina makes for a better place to keep your boat. Even having 24/7 regular security is not the same as having fellow sailors walking the docks every day!

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Tenants in liveaboard slips in Vancouver (rare though they may be) have to pay a liveaboard fee set the city council, designed to be along the same scale as property taxes (I think they're currently $5.15/ft/mo). So they don't have the "using public services without paying for them" excuse (not that that's a valid excuse in a country that prides itself on the provision of free public services).

The story you always hear around here is that people who buy waterfront property complain about liveaboards, and that their complaints somehow carry more weight than boaters'. I don't know if there's any truth to it.

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... I'd imagine it also depends on the marina. A higher priced, more exclusive marina may look down on liveaboards, but a lower-priced marina may want to have them.
SD, wouldn't you call Constitution Marina a fairly high priced and exclusive marina? I pay over $750/mo for my slip -- that's not cheap (even by Boston standards). If you don't get in before October, you won't be getting in the next year -- that's pretty exclusive. And it's the most liveaboard-friendly marina I've ever heard of, judging by what I read on these forums, and has a liveaboard community that is the envy of many.

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SD, wouldn't you call Constitution Marina a fairly high priced and exclusive marina? I pay over $750/mo for my slip
High-priced for sure.

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If you don't get in before October, you won't be getting in the next year -- that's pretty exclusive.
If you judge exclusivity by wait time... marinas around here measure it in years, like 6-10.

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For whatever reason in the USA they pick and chose were and how they enforce the clean water act

As in some places a check of the y-valve is a common issue Vs up here its almost unheard of

Depending on were you live there may no issue for the marina Or HUGE pressure over everything that goes on in the marina

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SD, wouldn't you call Constitution Marina a fairly high priced and exclusive marina? I pay over $750/mo for my slip -- that's not cheap (even by Boston standards). If you don't get in before October, you won't be getting in the next year -- that's pretty exclusive. And it's the most liveaboard-friendly marina I've ever heard of, judging by what I read on these forums, and has a liveaboard community that is the envy of many.
That's why I said "MAY"..... Constitution Marina has a history of being liveaboard friendly and many famous sailors have lived there, including Webb Chiles.

But considering its location, and how accessible it is to downtown Boston...it really isn't that expensive.

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SD, wouldn't you call Constitution Marina a fairly high priced and exclusive marina? I pay over $750/mo for my slip -- that's not cheap (even by Boston standards). If you don't get in before October, you won't be getting in the next year -- that's pretty exclusive. And it's the most liveaboard-friendly marina I've ever heard of, judging by what I read on these forums, and has a liveaboard community that is the envy of many.
Constitution Marina is actually a really good deal. In the summer the rate is $168/ft and in the winter its $40/ft. My rate is similar in Hingham ($132/ft for summer and $37/ft for winter) and there are many rates on the Cape that are higher (Onset Bay marina is $178/ft).

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Constitution Marina is actually a really good deal. In the summer the rate is $168/ft and in the winter its $40/ft. My rate is similar in Hingham ($132/ft for summer and $37/ft for winter) and there are many rates on the Cape that are higher (Onset Bay marina is $178/ft).
CM has raised their rates for 2011, by either $2 or $4/ft. I believe it's now $172/ft in the summer and $44/ft in winter, but I could be wrong. It's not the most expensive, but it's far from the cheapest, especially when you look further away than MA. A lot of southern states have marinas with fees a small fraction of that.

Which brings up another thing... clearly Constitution Marina is very successful. As SD said, plenty of famous sailors have stayed here, and it's a favorite of cruising guides and such (at least the ones I've read). Is being so liveaboard friendly contributing to their success, or are they successful in spite of it? Would they be doing better or worse if they discouraged/disallowed liveaboards? I think they'd be much worse off, but that's just my opinion, and I may be biased If it's helping them, what are they doing that other marinas should be doing too, to help themselves by allowing/encouraging liveaboards?

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