Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items









Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest Forums > General Discussion (sailing related)
 Not a Member? 



Like Tree1Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2011
chef2sail's Avatar
C&C Racer/ Cruiser
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Maryland
Posts: 2,503
Rep Power: 5
chef2sail is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to chef2sail
Loose Foot Main sail vs Foot Bolt Rope in boom Track

I have the choice for my new main. Have always had the traditional bolt rope foot on my main going into the boom track,

What do you have?

Advantages? Disadvantages?

Dave
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
___________________________
S/V Haleakula (Hawaiian for" House of the Sun")
C&C 35 MKIII Hull # 76
Parkville, Maryland
(photos by Joe McCary)

Last edited by chef2sail; 02-02-2011 at 10:11 PM.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2011
capngregg's Avatar
Shaken-not Stirred
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Carrollton, Texas
Posts: 118
Rep Power: 6
capngregg is on a distinguished road
Cool Mainsail choices

My little SC 22 had a bolt rope main when I first got it and it sailed okay. At that time my only method of reefing the main was the original roller reefing boom. This always felt very cumbersome to me and is definitely not recommended when the wind is way ahead of you reefing, especially if you're singlehanding.
When I purchased my new main I had double reef points put in and I went "loose footed". I also installed a boom vang and a topping lift. The boat seems to point better (not that this is any kind of a high performance ride) and I can obtain superior sail shape on any point of sail.
I much prefer the loose footed sail over the bolt rope but I don't really think there is too much difference that can be realized on a small boat. On your boat it may make a large difference though. I used to crew on several high performance race boats and we always used loose footed mains.

Gregg
Jeaux-Jeaux likes this.
__________________
Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.
T.A.E.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2011
Sabreman's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Yeocomico River, VA
Posts: 1,006
Rep Power: 6
Sabreman will become famous soon enough
I am in the same situation as you. I've always had the foot attached. I am ordering a new main within the next few weeks and narrowing my choice to manufacturers and cut (cross-cut vs. North Radian or Quantum Fusion). But one choice is clear. I will definitely go with loose footed. To put it in perspective, the vast majority of jibs are loose footed. The reason why we still use a boom is because it is impractical to sheet a main without it.

Pros:
1. Better sail shape control because there is no foot
2. No flattening reef needed
3. Easier construction because a shelf does not have to be made & slides do not have to be fitted = reduced cost.
4. Easier control because you don't have to fight sail slugs on the boom
5. Easier furling and reefing because the foot is free.

Cons:
1. A tendency for foot flutter. Corrected with a foot line.
__________________
Sabre 38 "Victoria"
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2011
DrB DrB is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: New England
Posts: 759
Rep Power: 6
DrB is on a distinguished road
What he says

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabreman View Post
I am in the same situation as you. I've always had the foot attached. I am ordering a new main within the next few weeks and narrowing my choice to manufacturers and cut (cross-cut vs. North Radian or Quantum Fusion). But one choice is clear. I will definitely go with loose footed. To put it in perspective, the vast majority of jibs are loose footed. The reason why we still use a boom is because it is impractical to sheet a main without it.

Pros:
1. Better sail shape control because there is no foot
2. No flattening reef needed
3. Easier construction because a shelf does not have to be made & slides do not have to be fitted = reduced cost.
4. Easier control because you don't have to fight sail slugs on the boom
5. Easier furling and reefing because the foot is free.

Cons:
1. A tendency for foot flutter. Corrected with a foot line.
Loose foot it.
__________________
If you liked my advice/response, give me some rep points. If you didn't......well what do you expect, it was free.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2011
paulk's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: CT/ Long Island Sound
Posts: 2,034
Rep Power: 13
paulk is on a distinguished road
We've gone with a loose foot for the last two mains, though originally we did have a boltroped foot that was attached to the boom. The pros mentioned above are all true. We've had no trouble with "foot flutter".
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2011
jackdale's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 5,988
Rep Power: 4
jackdale will become famous soon enough
There have been a few discussions prior.

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/seaman...hats-best.html
__________________
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor Evaluator
CYA Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2011
jaschrumpf's Avatar
1975 Newport 28
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Monrovia, MD
Posts: 540
Rep Power: 10
jaschrumpf is on a distinguished road
What does a loose foot main sail look like on the boom? Does the boom even come into play any more?

Every boat I've ever been on has had the bolt rope in it; I'm envisioning the old-style wooden ships setup where the sail is attached to rings that slide along the boom. Does anyone have a good photo showing the differences?
__________________
S/V Free Spirit

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Monrovia, MD
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2011
Liquorice's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Alberta, Canada
Posts: 126
Rep Power: 5
Liquorice is on a distinguished road
I've got a C&C 26.
Originally the boat had a bolt rope on the foot.
I bought a new set of sails 3 seasons ago with a loose footed main.
I much prefer the loose foot.
- seems to set better.
- easier to see the results when trimming, or maybe it's psychological.
- I don't get any foot flutter!
The foot shelf is supposed to help prevent boundary layer crossover under the boom, thus improving lift, but the increase in effectiveness of the new sails, makes this loss (if there truly is one at 6 knots) unnoticeable!
__________________
sam :-)
Just because you're paranoid ...doesn't mean they're not after you!
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2011
Liquorice's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Alberta, Canada
Posts: 126
Rep Power: 5
Liquorice is on a distinguished road
Jaschrumpf,
The foot has one large (long) slug at the clew.
(Some racers replace this with a webbing loop velcroed in place)
__________________
sam :-)
Just because you're paranoid ...doesn't mean they're not after you!
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2011
Hartley18's Avatar
Termite Fodder
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 2,931
Rep Power: 6
Hartley18 will become famous soon enough Hartley18 will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaschrumpf View Post
What does a loose foot main sail look like on the boom? Does the boom even come into play any more?

Every boat I've ever been on has had the bolt rope in it; I'm envisioning the old-style wooden ships setup where the sail is attached to rings that slide along the boom. Does anyone have a good photo showing the differences?
Here's what it looks like:
Loose Foot Main sail vs Foot Bolt Rope in boom Track-img_3366.jpg

The boom provides both an attachment for the mainsheet and a means to flatten the sail (by pulling on the outhaul) and/or the vang.

A loose-footed sail usually droops below the boom (like this one does) to provide better air-flow across the lower part of the sail... but it doesn't have to:



Note: The boat the pic is taken from in the top pic has a slug to hold the clew on - the one in the bottom pic uses a webbing strap. The blue line is the reefing line.
__________________
--
Crew member on the Womboat for:
2011 Heaven Can Wait 24Hr - Race against Cancer.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by Hartley18; 02-02-2011 at 08:15 PM.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Outhaul for Loose Foot Main Quickstep192 General Discussion (sailing related) 21 06-06-2011 12:07 PM
Loose Foot vs. Attached—What's Best? Dan Dickison Seamanship Articles 12 05-18-2011 12:33 PM
Foot of main when reefed? jaschrumpf Learning to Sail 12 09-10-2010 12:39 PM
Sloop rigged with loose-footed main (no boom)? toastchee General Discussion (sailing related) 13 03-09-2010 07:38 PM
Boom Bags and Loose Footed Main tdw Gear & Maintenance 5 03-10-2009 09:20 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:54 PM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012