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Our boat is 36'. We don't want anything bigger. Maybe two more feet would cure you! Of course, it has to be the right boat.
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I think I get what you are saying. I am looking at a 34 footer myself but that's a boat I would have for myself to do a circumnavigation. But I have no kids and two exwives. If she's reading this. (It's in the mail honey)
Anyway If your kids are not in college yet I would recommend selling them. (especially if they are teenagers)
Then you and your wife go buy the boat you want with the money and let someone else try to get them to take out the garbage.
The first thing I did when I figured out I was once a teenager. Apologized to my parents.
sounds like a plan except for the sell them and you can buy a boat with the money. have you seen what you can get for a teenager in todays economy. you will need a lot of those teenagers to trade in just to get the dingy for your boat.

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you will need a lot of those teenagers to trade in just to get the dingy for your boat.
Only a Dingy? Still that's more then you had before.

Two feet? Let's really dream big guys. Let's go with another 6ft and make the new boat an even 40footer.
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Being practical sucks. But the alternative is worse. I am in the same boat as you down to the two kids with college on the horizon and an older boat in the same size range as yours. Having a boat that is paid for, even if it's not the boat of your dreams, is a pretty special place to be. I think the memories you've made on your boat must prove that out. It certainly does for me.
Hey, I knew I wouldn't be the only one with this issue. Quick note to others-- if you have kids, get boats and go sailing when they are very young (before they know any better), but be warned it gets hard to justify larger and more expensive boats as they approach college age.

Best advice I ever got-- "go sailing with the kids when they are young, no matter how small or cheap or old your boat is. In the future, you may have the boat of your dreams, but you most likely won't have kids to sail with anymore."

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To add to the dog's comment, the interest $$ and the price depreciation you've got on the new boat are for you to eat, you can not recover it. Plus, the constant worries not to ding the shiny new sides, complex systems that will brake down...
It does not worth it.
One other note-- sailboats never work out financially. I heard a talk by Tom Cunliffe a short while ago. He was talking to a large group of sailors. He started with something like this-- "We all have something in common-- a passion for boats that makes us oblivious to what a bad investment they are, because the rewards of the boats exceed rational thought."

It's cool that your kids are young *and* you have a 23 footer. In the future, it's always an option to charter larger boats for day sails or weekend trips, just to find out how you like it as a family. For example, we just found a place to afford-ably charter a Catalina 25 for a few days the next time we're back in the Pacific Northwest. We used to be able to charter an Islander 28 for about 800 a week, until it was sold.

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Jim, if I recall correctly, we had an exchange on this very topic quite a while back in another thread. At the time I was boatless. At present I have a 35 ft Swedish cutter (my last boat!), similar to your Rival in the sense of being an older, quality boat worth spending money on. I also have a wife and 2 teenage kids. We just got back from a month of cruising the islands on the coast of So Paulo and Rio and I can say that having another 2 feet of boat wouldn't have made a difference. Space on a boat is always going to be limited and privacy is illusory, whether it be 34 ft, 36ft or even 40ft. The larger bills for the larger boat are real enough though. Seriously, from what I've read of your contributions on Sailnet, you and your family seem to be getting along fine with your Rival. I also detect quite a bit of owner pride, which is always a good thing! So, my 2 cents ... keep that lovely (paid-for) Rival, lavish care on her and enjoy the sailing. Two feet more of boat won't make the experience any better.

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There's no end. I started with a 16', then 18', then 26', then craved a 30'.
Well now I have a Cape Dory 25 paid for, and am upgrading as $ and time permit. She is sparkling bright, flawless, looks newer than new.
"Do your best with what you have" is a hard pill to swallow but has served us well. That's true in just about every aspect of seeking happiness. IMHO

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For me, the question is -- can you accomplish your sailing goals with the boat you have? What sailing would a larger boat allow you to do that you can't do with your current boat?

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For me, the question is -- can you accomplish your sailing goals with the boat you have? What sailing would a larger boat allow you to do that you can't do with your current boat?

"Wherever we want to go, we go. That's what a ship is, you know. It's not just a keel and hull and a deck and sails. That's what a ship needs. But what a ship is... what the Black Pearl really is... is freedom." – Captain Jack Sparrow
Might only be temporary in my case, but Im with Captain JackWish he sailed these waters.
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Jim, I think it was Neil Young who said..." Love the one you're with"

It's so much easier to Love a boat that's completely paid for, than one that competes for all your disposable income. ( especially with college bound kids)

I've couldn't help notice that you started out talking about 2 feet more, but then talk about a 40 footer ( 6 feet more) That's a huge difference in boats.

I have to 2 ft 'itis from time to time. The newer 362 sabre, has a full shower, that my older 34 doesn't, and a few other features that appeal to me.

The thing about jumping up is that everything jumps up. I assume that you have slip or mooring fees, haul out fees etc. So, not only would you be paying a loan, you'd be taking on all the other increased fees that come with a larger boat, not to mention the fact that everything you purchase for a bigger boat has a larger price tag.

So you have to ask, how much you are willing to spend on an annual basis for the space or the features you don't have now? For me an extra 2 feet would cost me around $400 yr. just in slip fees. Which ain't all that bad... 6 foot more would easily be an extra $1,000. yr. in addition to larger sails, thicker lines, bigger anchors, etc etc.

For now, I've decided to love the one I'm with.

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