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Anytime something has been lost overboard, it's gone over the side, not out the back. Usually it's the butter fingers of a crew member that loses the winch handle, gps, phone, so I don't see how a closed transom has anything to do with it. Locking winch handles always make me chuckle, they never "magically" fall overboard, it's when the human element is molesting one that causes the tragedy.

And yes, a PFD with tether will keep someone on board better than your grasp or that of the jolly green giant.

I still stick to my statement kids should not have the run of the boat relying on lifelines, netting, or a boats design to keep them on board.
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We have a Beneteau 361, open transom. So far I have lost a radio and a leatherman, but still love the open transfom for boarding and water access.
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This is the same to me as full vs fin keel, marconi vs fractional rig, center vs aft vs deck salon........... or the footed vs non footed main,,,,,,


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Small dogs and little ones can easily slip through that opening. It's a nagging fear on my boat. I plan on putting some netting across that opening. However, the sugar scoop and open transom are a nice feature. All things in equal measure.
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Love the open transom.... makes it easier for pirates to board in the middle of the night
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It drives me crazy that the award for innovative hardware went to a motorized winch made in range of sizes that includes small enough for small boats, and that has one button that can ease and another to sheet in, saving the inconvenience of having to actually handle the sheet. It drives me crazy to hear salesmen hawking the absense of a bridge deck or mid-boom mainsheeting or arch mounted travelers because they avoid the inconvenience of stepping over something that is knee high. At some point we need to admit that one of the joys of sailing is doing something which is not always convenient. And yes your are right I do sound like a curmudgeon, what of it....
Ah-YUP. Couldn't agree more. It's all part of the "dumbing down" of sailing to make it easier and easier for people w/ more $$$ than Sense to go out on the ocean. Blame the marketing people. They want to sell boats and can't sell boats to people who actually have to LEARN seamanship and sail handling skills...etc.



Funny story. A few years back I was at the Annap. Boat show and stopped by the display of XXXXX brand. They only had one boat and I made the comment that I always liked their (old design from the 70's) to which the salesman said "ew, what would you want to sail an old boat like that for; you don't drive around in an old car. Let me ask you what did you drive over here today?"

My response: 1986 Porsche.

His jaw sort of dropped, he said nothing and my GF and I kinda chuckled and walked off.
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Open transom boats DO NOT take on water from the stern, the swim step doesn't even get wet.
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As for me, I'll buy an open transom boat when they come in a center cockpit layout
That gives a whole (hole) new meaning to island berth.
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I have no experience with open transoms, other than occasionally wishing I had one while trying to manhandle the 80lb dog up the side from the dinghy :-))
I'm sure that open transoms are more prone to filling from a breaking following sea than a traditional cockpit style boat, but it would drain in a fraction of the time, so perhaps it's a wash (pun intended). I'm sure if I had one I would like it, not sure that I would pick one if I was buying a cruising boat for crossing oceans, for various reasons.
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Open transom boats DO NOT take on water from the stern, the swim step doesn't even get wet.
Oh, really? Even when, say, running under bare poles, lying to a Series Drogue? (grin)

What would concern me the most, is the lack of a solid rail aft of the cockpit... Some of those spans of lifeline wire across the more beamy transoms out there today don't afford much security, especially when you inject opening gate fittings into the mix... Not to mention, open transoms seem to invariably mean double helms, and they're not for me...



Can't argue with their convenience at anchor, or for shuttling the crowds on and off at the boat shows, and I'm sure they're fine for coastal cruising and motoring down the ICW... But for offshore? No freakin' way...
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