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If I have known he was leaving last Monday or Tuesday, I would have helped him to sail down to Norfolk from Annapolis. Once in ICW, he could it take it easy. I remember last week it was cold and windy in Chesapeake Bay. It is sad. RIP Arno Dawson

One thing I don't understand is why the broker in Annapolis did not give him any advices knowing he was from AU. Like rule 62, there are so many unanswered questions.

You know what, when I go sailing solo. I will have a waterproof cam and voice recorder records at all time. It will record the last 24-hr activity on the boat. So if I turn up dead, you guys can find the answer instead of blaming me ..... ask why ..............

WHY:
1. didn't he have life vest on, tether on
2. did he pee on the side of the boat instead go to the head
3. didn't he bring enough battery or any GPS
4. didn't he learn how use CN, wait he was motoring in ICW, well he should learn it any way.
5. did he approach the inlet at night or in a rage
6. did he jump into the life raft?

I have one of these GO PRO. It is waterproof and HD wide angle.



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Most brokers, if not all, know delivery skippers and crew that can be had for deliveries if the new owner was not familiar with the Internet sites that allow advertising for crew. He sure had the time to find crew. I have to believe he knew of this option but elected not to take advantage of it. That means he was over confident, which is the first sign of potential trouble. Itís a tragic decision, which may have contributed to the sailorís loss.

Changing the subject for a moment to the boat - an Irwin Citation? My familiarity with Irwins dates back 30 years. They never had a reputation as an open water, any weather sailboat. Am I the only one who wonders if he knew what he was getting himself into taking that boat to Australia? No, I have never owned an Irwin and never had the opportunity to deliver one on the open water. However, I sailed plenty of its contemporaries like Hunters and Catalinas, and I would never think of going more than fifty miles offshore in one of those boats.

Now donít flame me, because Iím just asking. Really, am I off base on the Irwinís suitability for a open water delivery to Australia?
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Just for info. The pier in the posted picture is off of Ocean View beach not Buckroe. The pier at buckroe is much smaller and lower to the water. It is just north of fort Monroe.

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Just for info. The pier in the posted picture is off of Ocean View beach not Buckroe. The pier at buckroe is much smaller and lower to the water. It is just north of fort Monroe.
Thanks, Iíve always figured it was some other pier closer to Hampton Roads that they were referring toÖ

However, the pic I originally posted is of the Buckroe Beach Fishing Pier, at least according to their Facebook pageÖ (grin)

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Most brokers, if not all, know delivery skippers and crew that can be had for deliveries if the new owner was not familiar with the Internet sites that allow advertising for crew. He sure had the time to find crew. I have to believe he knew of this option but elected not to take advantage of it. That means he was over confident, which is the first sign of potential trouble. Itís a tragic decision, which may have contributed to the sailorís loss.

Changing the subject for a moment to the boat - an Irwin Citation? My familiarity with Irwins dates back 30 years. They never had a reputation as an open water, any weather sailboat. Am I the only one who wonders if he knew what he was getting himself into taking that boat to Australia? No, I have never owned an Irwin and never had the opportunity to deliver one on the open water. However, I sailed plenty of its contemporaries like Hunters and Catalinas, and I would never think of going more than fifty miles offshore in one of those boats.

Now donít flame me, because Iím just asking. Really, am I off base on the Irwinís suitability for a open water delivery to Australia?
Hey, man fell off boat and drown. Don't know what kind of boat, maybe a Irwin. Let's beat up Catalina and Hunter.
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Well, my .02 is pretty much a rehash of previous posts. Namely, he need not have pushed hard to get to Hampton. Obviously he did if the one witness commented that he was fatigued. There are so many places he could have ducked into for a break. And speaking from very personal experience of last November if the wind is honking out of the NW quadrant and you're out in a flood tide it is NASTY. Not only do you have the currents coming in and swirling off the CBBT islands but you get stacked/short period waves from the opposing wind.
Lastly, I'll agree w/ the comment about Irwins. I've never been terribly impressed w/ their build quality, at least not 15,20, 25 years ago. I wouldn't want to sail one to OZ. But at least it's mostly downhill so I guess it wouldn't be too bad. Forget bashing to windward in one though.

Sad story; I feel for his daughter.
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Here is another one that boats alone in cold weather.

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2...ina-ar-800618/
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Here is another one that boats alone in cold weather.

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2...ina-ar-800618/
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Most brokers, if not all, know delivery skippers and crew that can be had for deliveries if the new owner was not familiar with the Internet sites that allow advertising for crew. He sure had the time to find crew. I have to believe he knew of this option but elected not to take advantage of it. That means he was over confident, which is the first sign of potential trouble. It’s a tragic decision, which may have contributed to the sailor’s loss.

Changing the subject for a moment to the boat - an Irwin Citation? My familiarity with Irwins dates back 30 years. They never had a reputation as an open water, any weather sailboat. Am I the only one who wonders if he knew what he was getting himself into taking that boat to Australia? No, I have never owned an Irwin and never had the opportunity to deliver one on the open water. However, I sailed plenty of its contemporaries like Hunters and Catalinas, and I would never think of going more than fifty miles offshore in one of those boats.

Now don’t flame me, because I’m just asking. Really, am I off base on the Irwin’s suitability for a open water delivery to Australia?
I haven't seen anywhere that there was a specific destination mentioned. The dude was Aussie, but maybe he was retiring to the Carib? Who knows?

As for wimpy production boats, don't forget Childress.


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