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self inflating life jackets under zip front foulies - dangerous?

We get a lot of rainshowers in britain and I am always putting on and taking off my waterproof top.

I often end up wearing my waterpoofs jacket over my self inflating life-jacket

here is a film of me wearing the hidden life jacket

YouTube - scuttlebutt 90 Havasu welcome

is this more dangerous than:

sailing alone

boiling unpeirced cans

running with scizzors

driving to the boat



what does the committe think

incidentally the waterproof of choice for me most of the time is one of these

Hi-Vis Coat Size M 38-40" - Screwfix.com, Where the Trade Buys

its zip front and high vis

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The inflatable life jacket expands when activated. If you have it under a non-expanding rain gear then it will be the same as having a truck park on your chest. Your ability to take a breath will be reduced to nada... And if you can't take a breath...Guess what happens next...
Or should I liken it to a large Boa Constrictor wrapped around your chest and squeezing... Whatever the result is the same... Your heirs will inherit.

Wear the Inflatable on the outside of all cold weather, wet gear, or sweaters ALWAYS....
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Good video. What's this Havasu stuff ?
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Good video. What's this Havasu stuff ?
its an American trailer sailer convention in Arizona in Feb

150 yachts turning up

Havasu Pocket Cruisers Convention 2011- Home

its where they built London bridge in the desert

lovely people organising it

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I think at a minimum, the jacket over the vest makes the vest ineffective because the jacket could put the buoyancy in the wrong place, potentially leaving you face down if unconscious. If the jacket isn't roomy enough, it could inflate against your chest restricting breathing. Also, the jacket might also delay the ingress of water to the vest causing it to not open as quickly as it might otherwise.
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is this more dangerous than:

sailing alone

boiling unpeirced cans

running with scizzors

driving to the boat
Sailing alone is safe if done right. Driving to the boat is safe if done right.

But, doing this is extremely unsafe IMHO and a bad idea for sure. We likely get rain just as often as Britain here on the west coast and it's a pain but I still put on my PFD properly. I have had mustangs inflate many times while wearing them. They expand quite a bit surrounding my neck and chest. I generally wear heavy thick rain gear with snaps and no zipper and I would still never do this. This is just a guess but I would say at the very least, it would push the jacket up about 6 inches or so and the circulation at the underarms would likely be cut off or squeezed a great deal and would be impossible to rectify without puncturing the vest with a knife rendering it useless. In my case the snaps might give way in the chest area but in your case a zipper would be tougher, I would think the zipper would be pushed up high close to your nose as it inflates and pulled so tight that it might be very difficult to release the zipper without a knife. I would have to say it would be safer to not wear a PFD at all, it's quite possibly safer to run with scissors or boiling beans in a can.
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A couple points...first, I'd reiterate what Boasun said about it making it very difficult for you to breate.

More importantly, the PFD may fail to trigger as QS mentions, since foulies are fairly good at keeping water out, so you may end up drowning before it inflates, especially if you were knocked unconscious by whatever action knocked you off the boat.

However, if you wish to win a Darwin award, by all means, keep doing this.
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here is my thought on this

the vests have a over pressure release so make sure they dont blow up when they inflate.as there is no way the vest to hold back 700 psi of co2 pressure. now yes i can see that it might make it hard to breath but i would think the vest would allow some shallow breathing. i have extra co2's for my vest but i wont risk ripping my rain jacket ( not a supper heavy one ) other wise i would test the theory.

if we get a donation going for the risk to my 40 dollar rain jacket i will give it a test. only send the payments if my jacket rips.

i will even video the test and post it.
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Your question is easily enough answered. Try it. Pictures please.
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here is my thought on this

the vests have a over pressure release so make sure they dont blow up when they inflate.as there is no way the vest to hold back 700 psi of co2 pressure. now yes i can see that it might make it hard to breath but i would think the vest would allow some shallow breathing. i have extra co2's for my vest but i wont risk ripping my rain jacket ( not a supper heavy one ) other wise i would test the theory.

if we get a donation going for the risk to my 40 dollar rain jacket i will give it a test. only send the payments if my jacket rips.

I will even video the test and post it.
If you do it and it rips the jacket I will offer you a free subscription to ktl for a year

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