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chall03 03-04-2011 05:25 AM

Somali Piracy - what is the answer??
 
Ok, putting all chest beating aside.....I am interested in thoughtful responses on what people REALLY think is a practical/realistic/workable approach to again allowing shipping and yachts to transit in the Gulf of Aden/North Indian Ocean???

I am NOT just after calls for action.....idealism.....or Rambo style "blow up all the baddies with big ships with big guns" responses...

Ladies and gentlemen, How do we as sailors in an international community in 2011 think this issue can be resolved swiftly and effectively, while negotiating the legal/political/military/humanitarian issues involved??

Ideally it would be sorted within the next couple of years, so that by the time I am up to a circumnavigation I don't get shot at trying to get to all that nice food and wine in the Med :) :)

The idea of going around one of those pesky Cape things holds no appeal for me.

(It might also be prudent to be careful with any political statements here, in an effort to avoid this thread being moved into the sewer for as long as possible...... :) :) )

marcoh 03-04-2011 05:54 AM

it seems even of the pirates get caught nothing happens to them, so the lure of making millions when everyone else in the country is living on $1 per day or less becomes extremely appealing, huge gains with minimal risk.

sailingdog 03-04-2011 06:08 AM

Chall--

It doesn't have a solution that is swift or effective. Until there is a functioning government in Somalia, there will be no cost-effective way for the international community to protect small boats that are stupid enough to venture into range of the pirates.

Arming the boats doesn't make much sense, since the pirates are likely to be more heavily armed and most sailboats aren't robustly enough constructed, outside of Alchemy's tank like beast, to resist gunfire of any sort to any degree.

HDChopper 03-04-2011 10:13 AM

Never an eazy answer for real problems ....IMO take out Motherships first and then Blockade the harbors until all prisoners are released , then offer a bounty for masterminds of the op's .

It would help to find something the somilies could offer in trade with other natitions to get thier economy going , not all somilies are pirates ...

Serious Have Not is the root of these kind of problems , clean water at the tap and ele for a few hours a day would go a long way to peacefull coexistence...

ArcherBowman 03-04-2011 10:18 AM

Violence
 
First - establish a policy of paying no ransoms under any circumstances. If you pay for something, you get more of it. This will reduce the motivation.

Second - give captured pirates drumhead courts-martial aboard naval vessels and hang those who are convicted immediately.

Third - burn their bases ashore.

Forth - invade and occupy Somalia, and install a functioning government.

kwaltersmi 03-04-2011 10:19 AM

Stop the paid ransoms = stop the pirates. Pirating occurs for one reason and one reason only: money.

Stopping ransom payments either means hostages will suffer or cruisers/merchants must avoid the Indian Ocean all together. This is much easier said than done and is the crux of the issue.

Maybe if there was some oil under Somalia we could find a quick solution?

Boasun 03-04-2011 10:40 AM

'Q' ships & Yachts, heavily armed and willing to take on all comers.
Remember 'Q' Ships were innocent looking ships until you got well in range of their guns. They sunk a lot of ships during WWI & WWII. Now they should be imployed in hunting the pirates.
And imploy Spy drones and Satellites to ferret out the mother ships and skiffs.

jackdale 03-04-2011 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boasun (Post 705007)
'Q' ships & Yachts, heavily armed and willing to take on all comers.
Remember 'Q' Ships were innocent looking ships until you got well in range of their guns. They sunk a lot of ships during WWI & WWII. Now they should be imployed in hunting the pirates.
And imploy Spy drones and Satellites to ferret out the mother ships and skiffs.


Just how do they recognize pirates as opposed to legitimate fishermen. Or may be we should adopt this approach.

Quote:

Arnaud (or Arnau) Amalric (died 1225) was a Cistercian monk remembered for giving advice during the Albigensian Crusade to a soldier wondering how to distinguish the Catholic friendlies from the Cathar enemies to just "Kill them all. For the Lord knows them that are His."

travlineasy 03-04-2011 11:00 AM

Boasun,

You've hit the nail on the head. Keep in mind that technique worked extremely well for Germany during WW-I and WW-II, and I recently read an article about a single boat that was responsible for sinking more than 130 merchant vessels while flying the flags of various, neutral nations. The guns were all hidden behind fake cargo containers that were lowered when the other ships were within range. We use a similar technique in the U.S. to catch auto thieves--bait cars. They look like a great prize for car thieves, but once inside the car and moving down the highway, the car's doors are locked, the engine shut down and it's all done by remote control. Inside the vehicle there is a hidden camera that captures all activity and conversations taking place in the stolen vehicle. I believe a couple weeks or months of Q-ship activity along the Somalian coast would go a long way to solve this problem. Granted, someone will cry foul, mainly in the name of political correctness, but can guarantee that those yelling the loudest
will be politicians that wouldn't set foot on Somalia without a heavily armed escort.

Gary :cool:

travlineasy 03-04-2011 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackdale (Post 705011)
Just how do they recognize pirates as opposed to legitimate fishermen. Or may be we should adopt this approach.

Jack,

I've been in that area of the world a few times, and though it was many, many years ago I never saw a fisherman armed with anything other than fishing gear, nets, etc... And, most of the fishermen stayed within a mile or less of shore, which is where the fishing is best. If you're 10 miles offshore and someone is roaring toward your boat at a relatively high speed, especially in the vicinity of Somalia, you can bet your bottom dollar that they're not coming to sell you fish.

Gary :cool:


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