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Any info as to which non-profit organization put its disabled beneficiaries on this boat?

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Apparently this one (from SA - not confirmed):

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Just curious (since i live another life as an occasional private pilot): In the airplane world, an event like this would possibly warrant an "airworthiness directive" if it were found to be related to a mechanical or structural problem.
The environments are no where near the same though. An engine failure on a plane during take off due to poor maintenance, bad fuel, etc etc etc can pretty easily mean death.

Lose your engine on the way out of the marina and it's an embarrassment and maybe the expense of a tow.

Particularly with sailing on a good weather day in a bay, you really have to do some work to get killed. It's sad that this accident happened, but it's only news worthy because it's unusual. I'm sure several families were in car accidents over the week but it won't make the national news.
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In addition to the registration irregularities and boating safety questions, I would also question their safety on the road. They had a ~15 year old Dodge minivan pulling the trailer. My Dodge minivan struggles to pull my 15' Trophy boat. I can't even imagine pulling a 25 or 26' Macgregor with one - even with the ballast tank empty.


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I'm not trying to justify flawed thinking here, but is it possible the skipper thought leaving the ballast tank empty would increase buoyancy so he could carry more passengers? Obviously the weight would be totally in the wrong place in this case.


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Here's the latest from Signonsandiego:

Definetely a MacGregor 26 and overloaded. Tragic and unneccesary.


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WOW. I was on a boat that left Shelter Island yester late afternoon for delivery to Mexico and we heard the CG warning people off from the area of this incident. Did not realize it was that serious. Loss of life is always a bummer but HOW MANY PEOPLE DID THEY HAVE ON THIS BOAT?
Later we heard them cancel the PAN PAN. Just assumed everything turned out okay. Damn.
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Apparently this one (from SA - not confirmed):

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I met this guy and his other ( they introduce themselves to my wife and I in Dana Point a few years ago), seemed like nice people with a admirable outreach and knowledge of what they were doing. I would hate to think they would knowingly allow a overbook like this.

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its a 1987 or 1988 Macgregor 26D (blue stripe vs later black stripe).

the only ballast THIS model has is the water, and if it leaked out, it could capsize.
(no relation to the current model for sale on the mfg website... a very different boat)

I can't imagine them leaving the dock with NO ballast, its just very very tippy. but if they didn't seal the vents or close the air vent, and it was heeling water could leak out, to help cause a capsize.

however, the hull would not want to float upside down, where the weight was the highest.

like most of the accidents for macgregor, I think it will turn out that the balast was not full and that error in use, caused the incident.

-and that is way to many aboard! 6 is a normal limit, 8 maybe if there are several kids. but 8 is a lot, and 10 is just foolish.


prayers for their families! so sad.
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A well-written first-hand account of the rescue attempts this morning on SA. Worth the read.

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