NY40 Peterson or S&S?

[sailordave]

I saw a NY40 and thought it was a pretty cool looking boat. Then when I did a little looking around I saw a few listed on YW; one is listed as a Palmer Johnson NY40. Both are listed as a Doug Petersen design, yet I've also seen them listed as a S&S design #2025 which is the same as the Swan 40.

So which is it? The deck layout is different but down below is very similar.
(I've been on an old Swan 40)
I'm just trying to figure out why the discrepancy.

FWIW they're both pretty decent looking boats, although I don't like the entry to the cabin on the NY40.

[JohnRPollard]

I had always thought the NY40 was a Peterson design.

Maybe they are confusing the NY40 with the NY48, which was an S&S design. The NY36 was a Cook design built by Schock.

Poking around, there seems to be some good info here, right from NYYC:

History of One-Design Racing at NYYC

[sailordave]

Well, MAYBE one of our members has some bad info...
These are all links from Sailboatdata.com


Here is the link to the Swan 40

Here is the link to the NY40 Note: this is a late 70's design.

And here is the link to the Palmer Johnson NY40. This is (supposedly) a 1970 design and (supposedly) the same as the Swan 40 (S&S)

Just kinda confusing.

[Faster]

Based on those links and drawings, the 1970 Swan 40 and PJ 40 are related S&S boats, whereas the late 70s NY 40 is without a doubt a typical Doug Peterson design of that era.

I believe the NYYC commissioned a series of designs in their name at various sizes with updated efforts at different times.

[Plumbean]

Palmer Johnson had a relationship with Swan and some others (seems like through S&S) where they imported bare hulls, outfitted them, and then rebranded them as Palmer Johnson's. My S&S 34 was originally sold as a PJ34 even though the hull was built by Aquafibre in the UK. Don't know if they did this with the NY40, but it sounds like they might have.