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You have the right attitude. Just keep your options open and expect contingencies to come up short. Suppose your fresh water gets contaminated and there's no island nearby. Did you have some water in a separate tank, maybe filled from the rain a couple days earlier? Do you have a small water maker for crunch times? Sometimes the fish aren't biting, other times, all you catch are reef fish that are possibly carrying ciguatera, and you can't eat them. Not trying to shoot you down. Just saying plan on it all costing more. The higher initial outlay can come in handy as you have more built-in options as opposed to being at the mercy of the moment when not prepared. An example of this thinking is when Katrina hit. Never had flooding, but we got water then. I had two boxes of small batteries in different locations. One got wet, one stayed dry. All my flashlights were fluorescent or LED, so one box was plenty. My generator took a bath, but the 12v batteries were up high. The inverter sufficed til I got the gennie dried out. Needed to recharge the batteries, car was washed out, but my truck was elsewhere and served as a short term gennie. People were sitting all day in line for a max limit of 7 gallons of gas, I had 50 gallons in reserve, then after a week, drove right past the all-day lines, went 30 miles down the road and waited a whole 15 minutes for another 50 gallons. The lessons? Prepare as best you can. Have overlapping contingencies whenever possible. Don't sit in line like everyone else. Work the problem and think. You'll be OK.
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The best boat you listed for your purposes, the Alberg 30 has this as its ad:
"Lost slip, must sell by mid-April, $5k or best offer. Alberg 30. 1968. Good condition. 7 sails. Hauled in 2009, bottom painted."

What about the engine and the condition of the sails, standing and running rigging? Soft decks? It will at least need a new bottom paint job.

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Well, you said you wanted a boat that was "fully outfitted" at $5,000. I don't think any of the above could be purchased and made ready - fully outfitted - for $5k. Those are the type of boats to which I thought you might be referring; These boats will take more than just effort to be ready for a 1-2 year voyage.

At any rate, my original post was not meant to argue purchase prices but to get you to think about the real costs of owning the boat over that time period. Speak to a boat broker and ask what would need to be done to those boats to make them ready and then add up the costs. Sails? Engine? Standing rigging? Running rigging? Electronics? What about structural work... rotten deck core, ugh, that was the killer in my search edging out engine replacement.
You are right, none of those boats are fully outfitted and ready to go but I can say they are a good start.Plus I just quickly pulled a few examples off craigs list. I know that the cost over time will prble be greater than the boat it's self.. But i suppose that just depends how much work yo want to put into it. plus, i refuse to believe that every single boat out there at this price range is going to be a P.O.S. I believe a lot of people are just broke and need the money. When I do buy a boat you can bet I will research the heck out of them and find the best one for me.

I know you were not trying to be arguementative, And I didn't mean to sound defensive. it jsut seems that alot of folks on and off line seem to think that I'm trying to buy a showboat or something.. I'm not.

And with what I've been hearing from everyone about my busget and my plan my two year is looking more like 1 year....
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OK, So I've gotta admit.. Some of your replies have left me a little discouraged.. I know part of it is because I am hearing all the things that I prbly don;t want to hear.. But hey " I asked you right"...

Anyway, thank you for your honesty guys. reality checks are needed for dreamers..

So What about a revised plan? Say I save 10 to 15k.... Prbly more like 10k if I decided to do it summer 2012.. Anyway, What if I saved this money and made my 5k boat purchase and headed off to the east coast to find part time work and do some part time cruising? Is this more of a reality? Work and sail?

the fact is i don't have any debt so If I'm living on the boat and sailing on the weekends I will not only gain much needed practice before taming larger seas but I can make more money working somewhere... I hate to settle like this but sometimes you just have to accept the reality laid out before you..

I don;t mind moving my life from Colorado to the east coast. As long as I have my boat to live on and a cheap slip I should do fine..

I noticed in one of the threads that somone said they are kind of hurting for educated/trained workers in the keys and Virgin islands? god, i would love to go to the Virgin islands for a year,, Work a little cruise a little...

I don't know guys i'm just trying to be real about this. I'm not happy here anymore. I know i'm a jerk because I live at the base of a world class ski resort and i'm sick of it,, but hey what can I say i'm not easy to please.I need something more in my life and this really sounds appealing to me..

When I think of what else I could be doing it all sounds so boring to me.. last thing i want to do is go backword and move back home..
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Don't be discouraged. A touch of level-headedness helps bring those dreams to reality - otherwise, they are just dreams. You need to look at this with good judgement; financials, seamanship, practicality etc. and then plan accordingly.

There are various ways to achieve your dreams. I understand you aren't wanting to live in luxury and I didn't suggest how much money you'd need to spend to reach the minimum - others here are more qualified to do that than myself. And it is technically possible to do it on a little budget. This documentary has been posted several times ( Hold Fast - Travel Movies on Vimeo ) and shows what you can do with nothing. THEY did it. I wouldn't recommend that you follow in their footsteps; there is just so much in that video that I would consider unsafe. However, they weren't discouraged by cost.

There are many people that dream about just sailing away. With no debt and a portable skillset, your chances of doing that are much higher than the regular joe.

My advice would be to save even harder than you are doing now. Live as cheaply as you can and put more money into the boat; A safer, more comfortable small boat will be better than a cheap boat any day. You might "save longer" as well, spend more time learning to sale while you save - Feed your craving can stave off that need to leave and will better prepare you for your own boat. Start by sailing on other boats so that you know what you like and don't like before you buy; Buying the wrong boat with the wrong gear is an expensive lesson.
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On your budget there are things you need to do without. Forget about the people who advise you to have a watermaker, make sure you have an awing that doubles as a rain catcher.

Don't skimp on basic repair tools you need a drill screws epoxy resin sail tape and sail thread plus a needle and palm. A simple sewing machine [Think cast iron Singer copy ] willl be a good investment and is one of the things that can earn you money from fellow cruisers. I am paying someone to restitch my dodger just now.

An 8 inch scraper mounted on a pole will let you scrape your bottom in an hour or less saving on haulouts and anti fouling.

Learn to love rice and beans. Lentils are your friend.

30 footer here advertised for $4.9k Pearson Wanderer sailboat 30'

She looks like she might do.

The Pardy's mantra is “go small, go simple, go now” .

It has gotten many off the docks and into the adventure.

If you only make it to the Bahamas for a year it will be a good year!
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How about getting the boat, and living on her while you continue to work. Get to know the boat, and get her ready. I went with a handheld gps, and nothing else the first time. Tons of reading from others experiences, and soon you will be able to go. I have been there, and done it. Your plan is very doable. How many here who have given advice have actually sailed away? BEST WISHES in sailing over the horizon........i2f
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Your revised plan sounds pretty good to me - living aboard while learning the boat, improving the systems, some time working and some sailing ... Although we had a little more budget to start (there were two of us, after all) that's exactly what we did and it worked fantastically well for us. By the time we left for the Bahamas we'd upgraded/reworked every boat system, knew the boat inside out & how she sailed, had a very wonderful 9-month cruise. Currently relaxing back in the Chesapeake and planning to head out again this autumn. You CAN do this too! Looking forward to seeing you on the water.
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As a Scuba Instructor, I can't tell you how many starry eyed folks come into the shop with "The Dream"....hate the office, life sux, want to become an Instructor, move to the Caribbean and live life barefoot in the sand. The reality of it and the possibility of it actually happening results in disappointment 99% of the time.

This though, has a much higher possibility of success. If I were you, the first thing to do is move. Can't make this happen where you are. Pick a place out on the coast where you can get a good job and slip rentals are cheap. Good luck with that, finding a cheap marina is gonna be tough, but they are there.

Once there and working, find your boat, in your budget, and move in. Spend the next year or two living on the boat, fixing her up, sailing her and getting to know her. At the same time, learn as much as you possibly can from multiple sources about the cruising life, what it takes and how to do it.

Maybe...in a couple years....you'll be leaving your marina behind as you sail away on an adventure you'll never forget!
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I share your dream. Just make sure you temper it with reality!
No disrespect meant, but if you're that new to sailing (as am I) how do you KNOW you're getting a "good deal" on a $5000 sailboat?

Another comment that peaked my eyebrow was the "ton of money" and then "15k". Purchase, maintenance, emergency fund, provisions, docking fees....I would't consider 15k a "ton of money", when spread out over such a period of time.

If you can pull it off, sounds like fun. Just caveat emptor when looking for a bargain boat to sail blue waters in! Check out some of the other threads here about those who encountered gales.....new rigging, sails, etc can set you back 5k easily.
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