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Do it man! A year ago I bought a 30' boat for $4300 with plans on sailing south. I've been completely refitting everything on the boat. I'll be heading south this fall.

You definitely need to climb around on some potential boats. When I was shopping for mine, I was amazed at how much difference 1' in length or width makes in regards to a comfortable living space.
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Case in point two years ago I decided I wanted to build my own chopper. I have always loved motorcycles but I never new jack about working on them I had never even removed a wheel let alone changed the tire... And yet two years later I have this (Built from a completely stock 1981 kawasaki motorcycle) Darn thing hadn't even ran in 25 years!!

( see pretty picture of bike above )

So Have no doubt I will see this dream through to fruition and I will succeed.
Dude your cred just went up a lot, nothing on a sailboat is any more mechanically complex than that bike. Follow Gary's advice: get yourself out to the coast, look at a lot of boats, read up all you can. Get sailing, at least on other peoples' boats. With your skills (and ability to learn new skills!) you won't have trouble finding work.

Is it the end of the world if you spend $5k on a good coastal cruiser and spend a year or two with it (especially if you're tough enough to live aboard) before you resell it for the same price, knowing exactly what you're looking for in your next boat?
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Lol,, Thanks guys.. Yeah I do fancy myself to be a lil handy and able to learn to work on new things. I hope that you are right about boats being simple.

I will be sure to have the boat I buy inspected first. How much is that on average anyway? I suppose I can just google that one.

Sailingguy,,, I knew it could be done, i'm glad you are doing it.. We will have to be sure and catch up to one another out on the blue and swap stories!

And believe you me you guys.. I will head for that water as soon as I can.. But not before I have my piggy bank filled back up.
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Is it the end of the world if you spend $5k on a good coastal cruiser and spend a year or two with it (especially if you're tough enough to live aboard) before you resell it for the same price, knowing exactly what you're looking for in your next boat?
No, Not at all actually.. I would be just fine with such an experience. Ideally what I would like to have happen, Buy a boat on the cheap... Fix it up while afloat and leaning for a couple years.

Get my sea knowledge down pat and then head ashore to finance something bigger for around 50k and call it home.. Maybe Then I get my lil sailin ladie,, but I doubt before that.. I'm sure it will be a lot of goodbyes till then..

Lol,, However today was funny.. I mentioned my idea in front of a buddies girl and she was all about going with me.. My buddy was getting pissed too... I had to play it all down to her so it would sound boring and dangerous and that she would never want to spend that long on a little boat with some dude.. In reality I was like ,,, Hmmm..... ((I bet she looks good in a 2 piece ...))

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That's damn inspiring!! So you sailed for nearly 4 years on 15k? Maybe I didn't quite understand you right.. if so that's AWESOME!! Especially when you add in family and pets.

Did you not know how to sail before you started?
What size boat? Gotta pic of it, I'd love to see her!
4 dogs on a boat of less than 100 ft seems bit challenging to me but I commend you for making it happen.
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Most accredited marine surveyors charge by the foot. In my case, it was $15 a foot for my 33-footer, which translated to $495. The survey checked things I never would have thought about, and he climbed into places my aging, rotund frame could never access. When he finished, he emailed by an incredibly detailed report, one that pretty much detailed everything I would have to do to get the boat back into top condition.

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A copy of Don Casey's Complete Illustrated Sailboat Maintenance Manual: Including Inspecting the Aging Sailboat, would be a good investment. Do your own presurvey. Lots of boats will be eliminated this way. A lot of it is not rocket science.

When you start looking seriously make up a check list and take a digital camera and photograph everything.
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A copy of Don Casey's Complete Illustrated Sailboat Maintenance Manual: Including Inspecting the Aging Sailboat, would be a good investment. Do your own presurvey. Lots of boats will be eliminated this way. A lot of it is not rocket science.

When you start looking seriously make up a check list and take a digital camera and photograph everything.
Yes, yes and yes. A digital camera is a must. Use it to reach behind and under places where you can't see. I use mine all the time to inspect connections for the fresh water tank, holding tank connections and mount, areas in the engine room I can't get to, the bilge, closeups of the rigging, etc. Take a tablet and write down notes on everything. Post the pics here so we can all comment. Make sure that you check all the most costly things twice.

Our list of most important items started in this order:
  • Hull integrity/condition of keel bolts/paint
  • Engine condition/hours/maintenance history
  • Packing nut assembly/prop
  • Rigging/sails
  • Electrical integrity
  • Plumbing integrity

The most important were of course those things that would sink you - literally. Then came the things that would cost the most to repair/replace, then the other pesky items that would cost money and time. The list is much longer than this, but these were at the top.

If you've taken 200+ pictures of everything and you have a few pages of notes, then you have a start.
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That's a good start!


Hull integrity/condition of keel bolts/paint
Engine condition/hours/maintenance history
Packing nut assembly/prop
Rigging/sails
Electrical integrity
Plumbing integrity
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Do your self a big favor. Don't wait two years, go out and get a boat now. Lots of 1-3K boats out there in the 25-30 LOA range that are easily sailable. Just looked at a 25' 1977 Columbia today going for $1,000. Has a working diesel and all the standing rigging is in good shape. Just needs a new main and a lot of interior wood work. I tell you if it had the standing room I need I would have bought it out right and as it stands I am seriously considering buying it anyway just for the scrap value.
What I am saying is, before you take the big plunge put your toe in the water. Bottom line, if you buy a boat that floats for under $3,000 you will always be able to get back what you paid for it in two years when your ready for big momma.
Dont let the dream fade or the time slip. IF your serious about sailing and doing what you state then take the first step and put some cash down. I know its scary looking at cheap boats.. Rot, old wiring and rustic engines with blisters on the hull... Of course thats not all on one boat, or one your seriously considering anyway, but those are the sorts of things that will be off on those kind of boats. The good news is if your willing ti put the elbow grease in your self, and you live within 25 miles of a Home Depot, then you can get everything you need for CHEAP AND learn how to do all the work yourself. Another benefit? Since your doing the work on a run down boat it doesnt matter if its perfect. The boat is the learning experience. Just make sure it has a good hull, good rigging, and sail. Blisters, rot all that stuff is easily fixed.
Also, you really dont even NEED to fix most the stuff. If you have rot in places or your port holes leak a bit so what? Its a starter boat meant only to get you on the water and with sailing experience in your belt. Now, disclaimer: You should NOT sail in the ocean with a leaky boat. However, Rivers lakes and other water body types that are more protected are not a big deal. The things that really bug you can be your projects and every thing you do will add experience to your arsenal and possibly add value to your boat come sell time.
Sorry for the tangent but I hate to read so many "I wanna..." post about far off dreams that easily slip your grasp if you dont take hold. Carpe diem friend. Besides, you got a trove of knowledge at your finger tips with this forum to guide you along the way.
One more thing, if your really nervous about all the big boat stuff or just don't have the money right now then join a local sailing or yacht club. Fees run around $100 a month most places and there you can get experience on small dinghy boats or even gain spots crewing on larger boats.
Read the books at night and hold fast by day. Ain't going to get salty just by eatin Morton's
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