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Hm... If I'm hearing your right, sounds like it was the combination launching aft and trying to go under the genoa that made it so tough, and going over the genoa sheet and around the leech is the right way. Okay I'll try!
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Hm... If I'm hearing your right, sounds like it was the combination launching aft and trying to go under the genoa that made it so tough, and going over the genoa sheet and around the leech is the right way. Okay I'll try!
Yep. Let us know how you get on!

If you have any more issues, try and get someone to video the hoist/drop or take some pics of your foredeck/lines just prior to the hoist and post it here.

Even for those of us who have been flying spinnakers for years, it can be challenging sometimes. We needed to do a windward hoist in the race yesterday (around the forestay), following a kite drop down the forehatch before the gybe mark. In 20kts of breeze, that took some thinking about, let me tell you - but it worked out fine.

I guess that makes a 3rd way to get the spinnaker up - but don't try it unless you really know what you're doing...
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We needed to do a windward hoist in the race yesterday (around the forestay), following a kite drop down the forehatch before the gybe mark. In 20kts of breeze,
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I guess that makes a 3rd way to get the spinnaker up - but don't try it unless you really know what you're doing...
I don't! And I won't. Is it even possible singlehanded?
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I don't! And I won't. Is it even possible singlehanded?
Hmmm.... Nope. Probably not.

Even using Autohelm with self on the halyard and sheets/guys, you really need an extra couple of hands to make sure the kite gets around the front of the forestay without snagging on anything on the way up (like jib hanks) and being torn into a million pieces as the wind grabs it. We had a crew of four - and I wouldn't try it with less.

Single-handed, it's far safer to just reset everything and launch under the boom from the companionway.
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Adam.

The point of sail really is nt all that important for a succesful launch...the important things to remember,,, when it comes time to set the chute...do it without hesitation...get it all the way up...if you have an hour glass...just haul back on the spinnaker pole to spread the foot of the sail...that should pull out the hourglass.

The preferred method it to launch it behind the genoa...that will keep it from inflating till you get it all the way up and as I said above, start spreading the foot of the sail by hauling back on the pole. Failing that, put some additional tension on the sheet...getting the sail all the way up behind the genoa is the key.
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I'm not convinced that hauling on the sheet is a good way to fix an overpower, twisted spinnaker. Especially in the case in the original post; the spinnaker was completely twisted. You know how you can take a not-fully-filled balloon and twist it a little bit, and it will distort slightly, and twist it more, and eventually the middle section will collapse in on itself leaving reasonably stable top and bottom sections? This is what happened to us, only we only had half a balloon.
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Whether or not an hourglass will come out really depends how the spinnaker is set up (do you have a swivel on the halyard?), how heavy the cloth is, exactly where the twist is and what the wind strength is.

If the twist is in the middle of the sail, it's a light-weight sail and the wind is picking up, it's far quicker/safer to drop it again, free the twist by hand and re-hoist.

By far the best option is to pack the kite correctly in the first place.. but then it'd probably get hoisted sideways. An upside-down hoist is an impressive but uncommon sight. I've only ever seen someone do that once - and it wasn't us - but I still can't figure out how they did it!
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