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Slip neighbors idea

My slip neighbor suggested an idea that sounds logical but I wanted to see what others thought.
We both have 34 footers side by side on a floating dock with no center piling. We are both bow in first with me on the left (port side tied to dock) and he on the right (starboard tied to the dock).
His suggestion is that if we must prepare for a hurricane, we should run a line from our stern cleats (my starboard / his port) to help hold both boats off the dock and keep them centered in the slips. Both bows are held center slip with multiple dock cleats and there are no amidship cleats on the dock.
This sounds like a good idea but the only downside I see is that at some point the pressure of both boats could be pulling on one dock cleat if the wind is hitting us broadside.
Is this a common practice for storm preparation? Your thoughts please…
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I think it could be a good idea if done right. I would want to see a rubber dock line strechy on the line one of the heavy ones that the line wrapps around. This would cushion the movement and allow the boats stretch over to their bumpers if it need be. Also if possible you want to tie to the dock cleat on the other side of the finger rather than the one on your side of the dock. in other words the dock cleat on the other side of the dock is pulling into the dock and the one on your side is pulling off the edge of the dock and is not nearly as strong. not sure if i explained this very well but i have seen dock cleats ripped of the edge of a dock several times.

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another trick i just thought of might be some good to you is. If your finger has a piling at the end of it then you can throw a tire over it and tie to the tire. Be sure to put chafe protection where you tie the line around the tire. I like to use fire hose cut into proper length. The tire has some give to it so it has a cushioning effect and it is very strong and it will move up and down with the tide.

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Don't tie to a dock cleat at all - tie to a stringer or piling. Run long lines, you to his side of the pair of slips, and he to yours, that will give you (*maybe*) enough length to move up & down in any surge. And DON'T tie to your neighbor's boat - in a big ugly wind, your cleats will be barely enough to hold your own weight, not two of you. Align your boats so the masts aren't side by side - when you get to swingin' in the big winds, you don't want your riggings to tangle. Offset one boat from the other. Sailnet used to have a great thread where we all contributed our experiences/advice for hurricane prep; hopefully one of the mods can resurrect it and make it a sticky until November.
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somewhat off (or on?) topic. given a choice of being in a fixed dock (secure, concrete but does not float) or on a mooring (helix, professionally installed) which would you prefer in a hurricane?
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Align your boats so the masts aren't side by side - when you get to swingin' in the big winds, you don't want your riggings to tangle. Offset one boat from the other. .
Been there and done that. Two years ago we had a huge snow storm coupled with very, very low tides. The sailboat next to us wound up sitting on the bottom, which caused it to list towards our boat. When the tide came back in and his boat floated again, his mast was caught under our back stay. Luckily, we had no damage aside from some scrapes and scratches at the top of our mast, but his wind instruments were torn off. It took four of us about two hours to get the boats untangled.
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somewhat off (or on?) topic. given a choice of being in a fixed dock (secure, concrete but does not float) or on a mooring (helix, professionally installed) which would you prefer in a hurricane?
This is a really hard answer, depending on where you are, what options you have, and expected severity of the storm. Where I'm at, the storms generally have subsided somewhat and we are typically looking at 70-80 mph, with gusts higher, and a wind tide drop of 5 ft. (on bottom) to 9 ft. above average. I am in a wood piling fixed slip. I choose to stay there over hauling out or anchoring out (or on a bouy). My standard storm tie up is 26 1/2" lines, tied to distribute the forces, take them from any angle, and to allow the boat to rise and fall in the slip without hitting the pilings or pier. I take into consideration the additional stretch that I will have in lines and everything is tied in redundant manner.

But that is my choice where I am and for what I expect. If the pier was concrete, I might have another thought. (Concrete has no give and will grind away or crush fiberglass quickly. Wood fixed docks usually have some give and flexing in the pilings, additionally the wood gets soft and wears away also when the boat is rubbing against it, thus lessening damage to the boat.) Locally, roughly 1/3 stay at the pier, roughly 1/3 haul out, roughly 1/3 anchor out or tie to a bouy. And some damage is aways experienced in each of the choices. If I had a good huricane hole away from open water and other boats, that would be best. My boat experienced it's first huricane in the yard as the boat had just arrived and was being prepped. It came within 1 ft. of floating off its stands/blocks. Some other, but not all, boats that anchored out either dragged and were struck by other boats dragging....one had $70K damage. In one storm, one guy on my pier, with almost glee and gloating, told me that he wasn't worried, he had a mooring and didn't have to stay at the pier. He found his boat on the shore in the woods with the mooring still attached. Others that stayed at the marina, got against the pier and had damage. Across the creek, one was speared by a piling, giving the boat a fatal blow. Floating docks are notorious for floating off their pilings.

So there is no good answer. And generally it comes down to doing the best you can with what you have and hoping for the best. Of the two choices you presented, I would take the mooring, but other unspecified factors and local circumstances might carry the decision the other way.

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No hurricanes here but tsunamis etc. convince me that tying the boats together is a bad idea, do it like WingnWing suggests, you are trying to keep them apart.
If you have 2 boats floating in a dead calm regardless of distance they will eventually float together.
I think that's Newton's first law of attraction or something.
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His suggestion is that if we must prepare for a hurricane, we should run a line from our stern cleats (my starboard / his port) to help hold both boats off the dock and keep them centered in the slips. Your thoughts please…
I am in the exact same situation. My neighbor wanted to tie her 40 foot boat to my 34 foot. I choose not because what if the boats are moving away from each other- going to be quite a jolt on the cleats when line holding two goes tight. Also I figure if we are tied togeather and one of the boats has a problem (breaks a line) then two boats have a problem. Instead I hang a lot of fenders off my boat in case one boat breaks lose, at least there is some protection. We tie our boats tight to the dock (floating) with a lot of fenders between. During storms I also make frequent checks of all lines on both our boats.
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