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This would make me cry:
There's a boat in our yard. It was painted a horrible brown colour.
Over the winter the owner spent a lot of time dremmeling out all of the hairline cracks in the gelcoat and filling and sanding them. The boat looked like crap but at least it was sound and smooth.
Last week he spent a lot of time sanding off the crap-brown paint and replaced it with a nice ivory colour. He was just about done when on Wednesday last week our marina got hit with some significant wind (rumour of twister touching down close by; micro bursts in the marina; a couple of boats ripping out their cleats; a boat 3 down from me lost its forestay and furler; 5 or 6 boats knocked off their cradles etc.)
The former brown boat was one of the ones that got blown over. I don't know what (if any) damage wa incurred, but crap! He was almost done!
I hope the boat is un-damaged!
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Gary, sorry for your stressful situation. One thing I don't understand is the part about the previous owner should have removed all the gelcoat before applying the barrier cost. I don't know what kind of barrier coat you're talking about but I don't think that stripping gelcoat is a requirement. I coated the bottom of my boat with West System epoxy mixed with an aluminized powder additative and I just sanded the gelcoat.
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I second Ajay's post. Also, you have got to stop telling your wife what you're doing with regard to boat expenses. What she doesn't know won't hurt her. Just spend what you need to spend, and keep your mouth shut about it. Move money around so that she doesn't see a huge crater in the banking account. Make sure that YOU pick up the mail when the cc bill arrives, etc.
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The biggest mistake so many people make is to buy a boat, tearing into it, and not sailing it. they quickly loose interest and "dream" becomes a nightmare. Self motivation is hard to find when trying to do something perceived as too; much old, far gone, etc.

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I agree with everyone who says put it in the water and go sailing. As long as the boat is sea worthy, enjoy it.

I have friends who, it seems to me anyway, will take on any and all projects that will impede their prospects of simply sailing.

Nothing stranger than human nature.
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Gary,

If she's seaworthy, or can easily be made seaworthy, unless working on her is really the reason you bought her, I suggest you get sailing.

Abracadabra was a 30 year old boat when we bought her. Her bottom was good, but the hull and topsides, well... PO was a racer. Bottom was good, so... (Bottom was terrific, in fact.) The port lights leak a bit. Gotta fix that someday. I'm sure the standing rigging is all original, save one stay the PO replaced. But it survived him, so I'm sure it'll survive us until I can get to replacing it. The running rigging all looks like it was raced hard and put away wet--but it still works fine. There's some wet core (the surveyor thought) that was suggested we replace--but it's still feels solid, so... when time and money allows. The hatches for the companionway are really looking ragged, now, but they do keep the rain and stuff out. Stove doesn't work. Head only half-way works. (The pumping out part, thankfully.) Who knows if the water works? Heck, I've a spread sheet that's up to 26 items of repairs and improvements that we need or want.

Point is, Gary: She's seaworthy for the kind of sailing we do. (Day-sailing, so far, and around-the-cans club races.) So, yeah, we're gonna fix all that stuff. Gonna have to fix all that stuff before we can start cruising. But it's more a case of: We're gonna sail her and replace/upgrade what needs replacing/upgrading as time and money allows, and when she's ready, well, then we'll go cruising.

In the mean-time: We sail.

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Wow,
I appreciate all the feedback! A little more to add to the pile.

Last year a hurricane was supposed to go through NJ. My boat currently has the keel off, so a big wind or water and it would be gone. I drove down to the marina and sunk four large screw anchors into the ground 3-1/2 feet and put two heavy nylon ratchet straps over the boat so she wasn't going anywhere. We didn't get the hurricane, and a couple weeks ago I removed the straps.

Would you believe that last week someone unscrewed the 4 anchors and stole them? Who the hell would go to all that work for 4 anchors? I noticed they were gone on Sunday while working on the bottom!

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Geeze Gary.. you need to get out of there!

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Gary,
You can e-slap me for asking the obvious if you like....and I'm not trying to rub anything in......but did you have a marine surveyor go over the boat prior to purchase? I know 6500 isn't a mega-yacht purchase, and I'm not sure what a survey would cost on that size purchase?

I'm putting feelers out for a boat in that range towards the end of this sailing season, and your story makes me think no matter what the cost, a survey is in order. Any thoughts or advice in retrospect?
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I have to laugh when people say I should do the work myself. That's what got me into trouble in the first place! I am about as close to a Macgyver as anyone you'll ever meet. I grew up in the electrical business, learned carpentry, mig, tig, stick and gas welding, manual and CNC machining. I've done sheetmetal, fiberglass, and concrete. I've run cranes, bucket trucks, front end loaders and trenchers. I've worked as a programmer. I've managed four companies. I currently do PLC programming, electrical design, and 3D modeling of waste water treatment plants.

So when I looked at this boat there was NOTHING I couldn't fix. However, I missed one problem that turned out to be a whopper. The boat has a design flaw that is causing the keel trunk to sink through the bottom of the boat. The retractable keel would no longer retract because the mast step has tilted and the mechanism was binding. So I can't go sailing because the water is too shallow most of the time without retracting the keel.

So I removed the keel, sandblasted and faired it. I spent 4 days on my knees grinding out fiberglass down in the bilge, then four more days glassing it all back together. Then I rebuilt the retracting mechanism because it was damaged too. I had to split the rudder blade and rebuild the aluminum shaft because electrolysis with the copper bottom paint had eaten much of the way through the shaft. The deck under the mast step had to be built up almost an inch. To do the repairs to the keel trunk I had to remove all the cabinet work on the starboard side of the boat, the head, and both the water tank and holding tank. The cockpit seats were marine plywood and badly rotted, so I made new ones from starboard. Many of the sheaves in the blocks were worn out, and I machined new ones. The two windows leaked and were cracked, so I made new ones. I had to repaint the decks because of the mast step repairs and the damage done by the paint stripper I used.

What remains to be done is paint the bottom, install the forward hatch, sliding hatch, mast step, retracting mechanism, and all the deck hardware. Then I can install the keel, and the mast, which I will raise myself. Finally I have to put everything back on the boat that I removed because of all the work that was being done.

So the two windows that I thought were complete having the sealant fail is just the last straw!

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