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post #11 of 24 Old 06-18-2011
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First things first, if you want to build a boat then pick a simple design like the Weekender or check out some of the designs by Thomas Forth Jones or Phil Bolger. Pick something under twenty feet and enjoy building then sailing your boat.

Try to pick something that can be built fairly quickly. No matter how excited you are now, there's going to be plenty of weekends where you don't want to work on the boat, or something else needs doing. Assuming you've picked an easy boat to build, you should be done before it starts to feel like an endless chore.

Then you can get into the second or third parts. Assuming you liked building the boat, you will be better prepared to build a bigger boat. And you won't have wasted time since you'll be faster and more confident, as well as acquired the right tools and figured out how much space you really need.

You might also have decided you'd rather just buy a fixer upper. But in any event, you will have had more time sailing. As well as gotten the family out sailing. That will lead to the third thing, do you really like sailing as much as you think you will, and even more important, does the misses.

Nothing like spending five to ten years, and tens of thousands of dollars building a boat, only to find out the misses doesn't care for life aboard and your home made boat is only worth pennies on the dollar.

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I am not worry, OP will come the same decision after some research on his his own. Just take a look how many men will build their own car for the commuting to going to work. .

I wish I could find the link about some guy was building a metal sail boat in Midwest? It was a huge boat and he has never sailed in his life. The last time I looked, it was still there in his driveway.

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There is an old saw about self built boats and it is not a kind one.

" Fools build boats for wise men to sail."

Buy don't build. But if you must build the Pardeys books will help you with the decision making AND THEY ARE THE EXCEPTION THAT PROVES THE RULE.

Lin and Larry Pardey are a married couple famous internationally for their expertise in small boat sailing. They have sailed over 185,000 miles together, having circumnavigated the world both eastabout and westabout. They have also sailed westabout (against the prevailing winds) past all the great southern capes, including Cape Horn. Larry built the two boats they used for two circumnavigations. Both boats were under 30 feet and were designed by Lyle Hess. Neither boat had an engine (except for an outboard on the dinghy which they carried on board Taleisin). They have also delivered race boats and charter boats. Source wiki.
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There are a couple of boat building schools, one in the PNW and the other in New England... And several books on book building. Or you could start with a Kit from Glen L or some other company.

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something to think about building your own boat, is insurability...many homebuilts are simply not insurable. And forget ferro, aluminum, steel, and wood...if you want insurance.

And since you are in CA, you will have to look at bottom paint, fiberglass layup and all the other things they regulate and have laws against the recreational boat builder doing.

the cost to officially sail, once you get her built is pretty low...equipment to meet the basic CG, state and common sense rules could be several thousand $$. Lessons if needed at least that much, if you have never sailed. Slippage in CA is about one of the highest in the nation, and there will often be a waiting list to get it.

All the best, but unless you are independently wealthy with out a job, buying would make more sense. 4-8K hours of manual labor, $1K per foot in basic glass/layup materials, and then interior and equipment costs, plus the place to build it...
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The OP is in California ? He will have to comply with some extraordinary intrusive regulations if he wants to build a composite boat. Your numbers are not that far off.
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Don't build a boat. Bad idea.
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The cheapest way to build a boat,...IS NOT TOO! If you think you have all the tools to build a boat, and haven't built a boat, you are going to find that you don't. It will cost every penny you can earn, beg, or borrow. No job will take less than three times what you estimate. The small incidental things, cost as much as the large systems components. If, or when you finish, you will probably be able to purchase something better, for half of what you spent, not including your labour, which you can figure at $0.00 per hour by as many years as you persevere. It probably will not take you until you are finished to discover you should have built a bigger boat. If you find you cannot be talked out of doing it, perhaps a psychiatric evaluation prior to beginning, that way you could have a doctors note to show everyone who will stop by and ask if you are nuts. Of course if time/money is no object to you, have fun, take lots of pictures!

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Building your own boat and then sailing long trips is an oxymoron. Unless you're very young and want to sail when you're very old.

If you really have a death wish and are going to go ahead, at least buy a hull, deck and bulkheads - then you may have a chance of getting it finished before you die and it will only cost you about double the price of a bought new boat (about triple a bought used boat).


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I heard a wise person say:

"If you want to build your own boat, build the dingy first. Then you will have a better idea as to whether you really want to build your own boat."

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That strikes me as some of the best advice I have heard in a long time.

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