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IMHO

Items 10 and 27 should get moved much nearer to the top of your list. If you single hand unless your vhf is mounted so it can be reached from the steering position item 28 matters more than item 1.



When you say mob pole is this a floating dan buoy thinghy with flag. If so yes by all means get one.

However if it is a mob retrieval device ?? The whole MOB thing is a right can of worms. There have been some trials in benign conditions of the different methods of retrieving casualties and in many/most cases they have failed to get the person back on board.

Anyway your list looks pretty good to me.
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It's been a few months since I got my first boat. The boat had not been used much before so it is not equipped well. The engine and rigging and sailing gear are in good order but that's about it. The only other working thing is the depth sounder.

So far, as I am learning, all I have been doing was about 3-4 hour long rides in the south SF bay. I feel like it is about time I ventured a little further on longer day trips or weekend cruises. But first, I need to make sure I have at least the basic safety equipment aboard and in good order. Money is issue so I am prioritizing from most essential and cheap towards less critical and expensive. Here is my list:
  1. Connect and test VHF antenna (antenna is there and coax runs to mast base. Currently not connected to VHF. The wire will need extending and routing and ends fitted)
  2. Get wooden plugs for leak emergencies
  3. Assemble and mount man overboard pole
  4. Fix nav lights (a few bulbs out on hull fitted ones. Masthead is not connected yet but I haven't been doing any night sailing)
  5. Get bronze caps for unused seacocks
  6. Get spare hose clamps of various sizes
  7. Get a horn
  8. Get flares
  9. Get a good flashlight
  10. Get paper charts (currently using iPhone + navionics app)
  11. Get a high capacity second bilge pump (I have a low capacity one I am sure, though I can't see the label since it is covered in grime. Bilge cleaning is in progress. Also float switch works intermittently)
  12. Fit a handle for the manual bilge pump (the unit is there, handle is missing)
  13. Upgrade throwable PFD. (I have one but a lot of UV damage on it)
  14. Get mayday Scripttie
  15. Get first aid kit
  16. Get mirror
  17. Get binoculars
  18. Get new extinguishers
  19. Get a second anchor (currently only have a single CQR 45 lbs)
  20. Get spare anchor rode
  21. Get spare engine parts (belt, impeller, oil, various hoses)
  22. Get boat hook
  23. Get an anchor windlass (none installed currently)
  24. Get foul weather gear
  25. Fit davits for dinghy (I have a rigid dinghy but I don't carry it. I am afraid if I tow it, it will fill with water and/or capsize)
  26. Get handheld VHF
  27. Get handheld GPS
  28. Upgrade VHF to a combination unit with AIS
  29. Fit jacklines and get harness

So these are the things that I can think of. Feel free to bash me for going to sea with the long list of non-equipment. I would appreciate your comments about possibly what to add/take out from the list and how to prioritize. Mind you, some items are cheap and easy. Some are not and will take time to save for. So I want to take care of small stuff first. Also, as you can tell, I am mostly concerned about taking in water. What do you have aboard to fix small leaks at sea and slow the large leaks?

I didn't include the ditch bag since that is what comes after all else fails and it's contents is a whole other discussion.
Cool, I learned to sail in Redwood City. My boat might yet move back there. Having fun tacking that 50ft boat down the channel?

For man overboard you might look at the Lifesling 2.

You should think about how you'll get someone on board after falling overboard. I went for a dedicated rope boomvang ($80 at Garhauer right now) that will work with the spinnaker halyard and the lifesling.
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Cool, I learned to sail in Redwood City. My boat might yet move back there. Having fun tacking that 50ft boat down the channel?

For man overboard you might look at the Lifesling 2.

You should think about how you'll get someone on board after falling overboard. I went for a dedicated rope boomvang ($80 at Garhauer right now) that will work with the spinnaker halyard and the lifesling.
I am yet to make it past the san mateo bridge towards north under sail. Tacking every few minutes on a 50 footer with 150% genoa gets old quick You are welcome to try with me if you are in the area.
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IMHO

Items 10 and 27 should get moved much nearer to the top of your list. If you single hand unless your vhf is mounted so it can be reached from the steering position item 28 matters more than item 1.



When you say mob pole is this a floating dan buoy thinghy with flag. If so yes by all means get one.

However if it is a mob retrieval device ?? The whole MOB thing is a right can of worms. There have been some trials in benign conditions of the different methods of retrieving casualties and in many/most cases they have failed to get the person back on board.

Anyway your list looks pretty good to me.
Yep, the MOB pole I am referring to is the buoy thing with the flag. I have it but I need to mount it more properly so it stays assembled and ready to go.

As for the handheld GPS, I think iphone works decently as one for now (until it gets wet and stops functioning underway). Anyway, for the areas I am sailing in now, I know enough to not need GPS at all. It will be an absolute necessity when I am in unfamiliar places. Can't argue with the handheld VHF having more priority though.
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...or in the dark or alone or when the water is cold. Most of the time, I think.

They need not be expensive.
Sail Delmarva: Climbing Gear for Sailors--Jacklines and Harnesses for the Unemployed. Far cheaper than some other items you have listed, and far more likely to save a life.
I don't single hand at all. I have never went out with a crew count of less than 3 but I want to start going out with just my wife. So having to single hand is becoming a concern.
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Seems to me that compared to the operating expenses of a 50' boat, this list of safety equipment should not be too difficult to handle.
Well that is arguable. I would say the list becomes harder to handle together with the cost of operating a 50 footer. It is then fair to ask why I got something I can barely afford. Fair enough but my only choice to get into sailing was to liveaboard with my family. Not ideal but I will have to take baby steps in equipping the boat for a while.
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Here is an updated list. Prioritizing is becoming more difficult. So I will put them in a somewhat logical categories of troubles.

While I am tapping into all this salty knowledge, I am also including some of the items I already have to make this list as a rough guideline for other fresh sailors. Thanks for all the input. Keep them coming.

EDIT - Please see the end of original post. List is kept up to date there:

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For example, everyone has a medical emergency kit on board. Many just buy an overpriced kit from WM. If you look into what in there, it is so absurd. It won't save your life if your life depends on it. So having the kit is no more than just a placebo effect.
Couldn't agree more. Moreover, even those who take wilderness training courses are only trained to stabilize the patient for transport. If you are on a boat without the possibility of rescue for a long peroid of time you actually need to learn how to treat the patient.
Same concept with other safety devices. Maybe having a liferaft without some serious thought could actually get you in trouble. You may find yourself in a crappy rubber raft floating away from a perfectly floating sailboat.

The most important safety device is mushy stuff between our two ears.
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I don't single hand at all. I have never went out with a crew count of less than 3 but I want to start going out with just my wife. So having to single hand is becoming a concern.
Yes indeed, you will. Every time your wife sticks her head below deck or takes a nap. And in bad weather or at night, it boils down to the same thing; will she be able to get the boat back to you?
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For man overboard you might look at the Lifesling 2.

You should think about how you'll get someone on board after falling overboard. I went for a dedicated rope boomvang ($80 at Garhauer right now) that will work with the spinnaker halyard and the Lifesling.
This is easier, costs much less, is faster to set up, and yes, we tested it, using a child to do the hoisting of the adult.

Sail Delmarva: MOB Drills, Lifesling, and Climbing Equipment

However, geometry is always boat-specific. In my case, on a cat, it is always simple and positive to position the boom with the traveler and preventer tackle, as needed. I agree, the Lifesling is a great tool. Having a cruising boat without a good solid ladder is simply nuts; jump in the water and see what I mean.
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