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Mr.Ritz 07-23-2011 08:23 PM

Just took a sailing class and I really do not like dinghy sailboats. Go bigger?
 
It really makes me feel like I am being spoiled by wanting to dump the honda civic and move up to a Caddy but the experience was so bad. It is just that the boats are horrible to sit in as someone 6'1 200 pounds. Not to mention I baked my legs in the sun which I have never done before. Everything was ultra hot from the touch. This is my fault but it sucked.. I spent most of my time in the grass stuck. :(

Mr.Ritz 07-23-2011 08:25 PM

It was a sunfish by the way

Minnewaska 07-23-2011 08:50 PM

Absolutely, move up to a keel boat if that is your plan anyway. Dingies are definitely harder to sail and less comfortable. Sailboats and airplanes are the same in this regard. The bigger each gets, the easier they are to sail/fly, unless something goes wrong. Just don't exceed your troubleshooting ability. A small keelboat is nearly as simple as the sunfish.

P.S. Yes, a jet is easier to actually fly than a single prop trainer, until something goes wrong.

dhays 07-24-2011 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Minnewaska (Post 753673)
Absolutely, move up to a keel boat if that is your plan anyway. Dingies are definitely harder to sail and less comfortable. Sailboats and airplanes are the same in this regard. The bigger each gets, the easier they are to sail/fly, unless something goes wrong. Just don't exceed your troubleshooting ability. A small keelboat is nearly as simple as the sunfish.

P.S. Yes, a jet is easier to actually fly than a single prop trainer, until something goes wrong.

I'm going to disagree a bit.

I think that rather than give up on dinghies, you should find yourself another dinghy to sail. The Sunfish is not the most comfortable boat to sail. There are a lot of other small dinghies in the 13-18 foot range that are more comfortable and will still give you the sailing experience that is so valuable.

I think that almost everyone would benefit from learning to sail in a small dinghy, just as I think that every pilot should first learn to fly in a small plane. Sailing in a dinghy helps you develop a sense of the boat the same way flying a Cessna 150 gives a pilot the feel for "stick and rudder" flying.

You certainly can go to a keel boat sooner, but in the long run you will be a much better sailor (IMO) if you get some dinghy experience beforehand.

wingNwing 07-24-2011 06:14 AM

The first thing I'd do, is go for a sail on a significantly bigger boat. It could be as part of a class, a charter, or just as a guest for a daysail. You want to figure out if you don't really like *sailing,* or just don't care for *dinghy sailing.* Take some time to compare what you learned on the little boat and see how it scales up to the big boat. Then decide.

I'm going to go against the conventional wisdom on this site - which says to sail dinghies, then medium boats, then bigger boats - and agree with Minne's advice. If you don't like sailing dinghies, don't sail dinghies. If you enjoy sailing bigger boats, sail bigger boats. Your learning curve will be different, maybe slower with respect to learning what each individual control of the shape of the sail does to the boat's speed and balance in varying wind conditions. You might have to do more book and classroom learning to make up for what you might learn in the dinghy, but you can still get to a respectable level of sailing competence if you want to. Of course, you'll miss the spontaneous dunkings that come with learning on a dink. ;)

Minnewaska 07-24-2011 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dhays (Post 753740)
I'm going to disagree a bit.

I think that rather than give up on dinghies, you should find yourself another dinghy to sail. The Sunfish is not the most comfortable boat to sail. There are a lot of other small dinghies in the 13-18 foot range that are more comfortable and will still give you the sailing experience that is so valuable.

I think that almost everyone would benefit from learning to sail in a small dinghy, just as I think that every pilot should first learn to fly in a small plane. Sailing in a dinghy helps you develop a sense of the boat the same way flying a Cessna 150 gives a pilot the feel for "stick and rudder" flying.

You certainly can got to a keel boat sooner, but in the long run you will be a much better sailor (IMO) than if you get some dinghy experience beforehand.

I respect your opinion. However, I think if you never sailed anything smaller than a J24, you would still learn to become a very good 'stick and rudder' sailor.

Many, maybe most, of our military pilots never sat in a piston driven single engine plane. Their first trainer is a turbo prop, which is considered a seriously advanced machine for the average private pilot that begins in that C150. Of course, to be in the program, one must have above average aptitude, but I'm only saying that not everyone must start at the absolute bottom.

In my humble opinion, a J24 or a Colgate 26 are excellent trainers (the later of which is used by the Naval Academy to teach midshipmen who've never been in a dinghy sailboat).

HPLou 07-24-2011 07:44 AM

Definitely try the bigger boats. At least there will be room for the cooler without the worry of hitting your knees when you are reaching for a cold one. Enjoy and good luck.

dnf777 07-24-2011 07:58 AM

Try a bigger boat, and also try another dinghy, if you want more time in a small boat.
My Prec-15 is quite a bit more comfortable than a sunfish, and good for learning basics.

Having said that, I much prefer a larger keelboat for a relaxing day on the water.

Sailing has multitudes of niches....you happened to find one you don't enjoy.

Sublime 07-24-2011 09:46 AM

There's other larger dinghies to sail and dinghies will accelerate your learnings.

I know a guy about your size who loves his flying scot. There's larger lazers you can sail.

If you don't like it, then you don't like it. It's all about finding a boat you like. You can hate to sail dinghies but love to sail keel boats. But don't give up the potential education a dinghy boat can give over one boat.

dhays 07-24-2011 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Minnewaska (Post 753753)
In my humble opinion, a J24 or a Colgate 26 are excellent trainers (the later of which is used by the Naval Academy to teach midshipmen who've never been in a dinghy sailboat).

I certainly understand what you are saying and I'm not trying to imply that someone can't learn to be an excellent sailor without dinghy experience. I started sailing dinghies when I was 5 years old and sailed and raced everything from 9' Mintos to Thistles and Lightnings. However, there are a lot of sailors who have never sailed a dinghy who are much more accomplished sailors than I.

I spent a lot of time sailing (and some racing) in San Juan 21s and San Juan 24s. FWIW, I think there is a huge difference between a 21 and 24 foot boat. So, while a J24 would seem like a dinghy compared to either of our current boats, a smaller boat such as a Cal 20, Catalina 22, or San Juan 21 would be better I would think. I'm sure there are other boats in the 20 foot range that I'm not aware of as well.

Still, nothing beats the experience gained (or the ab work) of sailing a dinghy on a day with variable wind for really internalizing the concepts of wind, waves, weight, and water.


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