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The nice big opening in the transom is handy for losing things like winch handles and cameras.

This I do not like about mine. But even when the swim ladder is up, I can reach it from the water which would be nice if I were to ever fall overboard lol!

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This I do not like about mine. But even when the swim ladder is up, I can reach it from the water which would be nice if I were to ever fall overboard lol!
There is a story that gets repeated on my boat routinely. With my wife off snorkeling with the dinghy, I decided to dive off the boat we chartered and swim over to some friends at the next mooring. I never put the ladder down, so no way I was getting home till she got back. She found me drinking beer on their boat hours later.

So, you don't have to fall overboard to get in trouble. With the sugar scoop on my boat, never an issue.

As additional thinking, not all boats with sugar scoops are fully open to the cockpit. I've seen them where the cockpit is still enclosed by a knee highh door. On mine, there is a cutout between the two helm seats, but it is still 6 or 8 inches above the cockpit floor, so nothing can slide through.


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It was fun in the Galapagos to see what scoop-owners tried to do to keep sea lions from climbing aboard - every kind of barrier you could imagine. Almost no one could keep the noisy but interesting beasts off the bottom step or two since there was no where to attach fenders and whatnot. We even had a sea lion try to jump onboard our boat without a scoop and with about 4' of freeboard. Made a hell of a noise.

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There is a story that gets repeated on my boat routinely. With my wife off snorkeling with the dinghy, I decided to dive off the boat we chartered and swim over to some friends at the next mooring. I never put the ladder down, so no way I was getting home till she got back. She found me drinking beer on their boat hours later.

So, you don't have to fall overboard to get in trouble. With the sugar scoop on my boat, never an issue.

As additional thinking, not all boats with sugar scoops are fully open to the cockpit. I've seen them where the cockpit is still enclosed by a knee highh door. On mine, there is a cutout between the two helm seats, but it is still 6 or 8 inches above the cockpit floor, so nothing can slide through.
We have a littledoor as well, and a life-line that is removable via a pelican hook. The door gives me peace-of-mind when the kids and parents are all sleeping, in case anyone takes a walk.

We leave the swim ladder down when at anchor, becasue we are frequently going for a swim. I rigged a line attached to a snapshackle that lowers the ladder, in case the ladder is up and you're in the water. The ladder may come down on our head, but it will be there when you need it.

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OP defines his needs and environment he sails.

Regardless what we need and want, OP needs a swim platform for his 6 year old daughter. This dictates at least 10 years or more for a swim platform.

i would say Go for it. His daughter safety and pleasure outweigh the bads.


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I got to thinking about the theory behind some of those old sailing hull designs. The length at the waterline was short to minimize wetted surface, and therefore friction, in light air. Heavier air would heel the boat over and increase the water line, thereby raising the hull speed when power is available to drive the boat faster. Doesn't it stand to reason that a boat with a sugar scoop stern will be slower than a boat with a traditional stern in light winds, all other things being equal? Then again, all other things are rarely equal. Modern hull design, with its greater form stability, will tolerate the greater heeling moment of more sail area, which increases driving force. The force of greater sail area will probably overcome the extra friction of the sugar scoop.

What I can't imagine the modern sugarscoop hulls doing, however, is producing a ride as comfortable as that of the traditional hull with overhangs when beating into the wind and seas.

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It was fun in the Galapagos to see what scoop-owners tried to do to keep sea lions from climbing aboard - every kind of barrier you could imagine. Almost no one could keep the noisy but interesting beasts off the bottom step or two since there was no where to attach fenders and whatnot. We even had a sea lion try to jump onboard our boat without a scoop and with about 4' of freeboard. Made a hell of a noise.
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OP defines his needs and environment he sails.

Regardless what we need and want, OP needs a swim platform for his 6 year old daughter. This dictates at least 10 years or more for a swim platform.

i would say Go for it. His daughter safety and pleasure outweigh the bads.
yeap, at this point comfort/fun is more important than keeping sea lions off the boat
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Matt, i'm wondering what a swim platform would buy you, that a good kickboard or boogy board wouldn't. Either of those would give her a way to get out of the water, and then slip off to a good boarding ladder. I don't see any magic in a stern platform, other than guaranteeing you'll pay for an extra two or three feet of AOL wheneer you dock the boat.

In terms of safety...if she's out of the water she's out of the water either way, and at six or even eight, she shouldn't be swimming without some kind of supervision in any case. (Not being judgemental, but even kids cramp, and having someone watching them is not an all-bad-idea.)

I just don't see any real gain by changing the boat. The sales tax alone could buy her some incredible water toys, like a canoe and kayak and swim platform all her own.
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The reason most of us need to get a new boat is often well thought through, but not often full admitted. Kids are excellent cover. Safety is another. The safety of the kids, now that gets the job done.


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