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On the Delaware River always plan your sail to have the tide in your favor. A motor is a must have piece of safety equipment, you only have minutes to get out of the way of the tugs, barges and ships.

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Those 2HP honda's are pretty light, but like others said it would be a pain if you turtled the boat.

You can look at the tides BEFORE you go out, and plan your trip accordingly. I used to have to do that in my powerboat days, because getting the boat out at low tide was a PITA due to the ramp being slick.

Reminds me of the first time I launched a sailing dinghy in the Newport back bay. Had wind and tide against me, and couldn't make any headway. Finally gave up (when the boat finally stuck in the mud in the back bay), rolled up the sail, and broke out the oars. First heave and "CRACK/SNAP!" one of the oars broke in half. Needless to say I provided quite the entertainment for people on the beach at the aquatic center.

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Short,

A small 2HP or so should work. I have a 2HP Honda on an 10 foot pram and it works fine. It weighs 27 lbs and has an integral one quart tank. I use about one pint for a full day's trolling. Being longer, your boat is no doubt faster with the same power.

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the Javelin has a planing hull if I'm not mistaken.

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the Javelin has a planing hull if I'm not mistaken.
Don't know, not familiar with that boat. My 10 foot pram will plane with a 6HP motor on it. My guess is that with the 2HP Honda, two people plus fishing gear the total weight is about 550 lbs and the hull shape slower than the fourteen foot Javelin? In any event the 2HP is very adequate for us against current and a moderate chop, not fast but it gets us there. Have had it for many years, run hard, no problems. Lots of choices out there now.

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There is a section on this website that shows the predicted currents in your area of the Delaware: Marine Weather and Tides
Looks like you regularly have 2 knots of current in the river. A small engine would be easier then a sweep oar.

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Same thing happened to me a few days ago. I didn't wait for current to die since the wind dies too around sunset. I was stuck in slough, not freshwater. While there was still some wind, I put an oar into the oarlock, held the mainsheet and tiller in one hand, and rowed with the other. Sail plus the oar did the trick but I am still aching. I keep getting tempted to put an outboard on my sailing dinghy. But I did turtle it once and really don't want to do that with the outboard. Plus that's just another thing to maintain, will make it longer to rig the boat up etc... I think I am just going to get better oars. Feels good to not rely on a machine once in a while.

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I was refering to planing under sail actually... these are 420s but about the same as the Javelin..

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I was refering to planing under sail actually... these are 420s but about the same as the Javelin..
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You tweaked my curousity, going fishing tomorrow, will take the GPS and see what the speed is on calm water.

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Drexel and Penn sailing teams practice in FJ's (flying junior) two man boats in the Delaware at Darby Creek, but don't go into the shipping lanes, and usually have a coach boat trailing them.

No motor, fast, quick jibs and tacks but not safe for in the shipping lanes.

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