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The AMVER blog seems to indicate that the boat was still afloat and was cast adrift, so here's hoping we'll see a S/V Satori/Perfect Storm situation. Maybe it'll wash up on a beach in Newfoundland and they can get at least some of their possessions back, and maybe even refloat the boat.
Unfortunately, the odds of that would appear to be slim, to none...

Wild Cove is one of the TWO stretches of sandy beach to be found on the entire south coast of Newfoundland...

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So, from what I heard in the audio, an oil cooler malfunction filled the engine with seawater, then the starboard main stays (shrouds?) parted...leaving them drifting on a sea anchor.

I didn't hear anything about them actively taking on water (apart from the oil cooler thing which happened a couple of days prior to the call according to the audio).

Regardless, definitely a bad day as he says.
Sounds like the classic case of a series of cascading failures... Never ceases to amaze, how many losses of cruising sailboats begin with an engine failure... (grin)

With such sketchy details available, we're all just guessing, of course... But abandoning a boat due to the loss of a shroud, but with the rig still in the boat, has got to be a tough one to swallow, surely there must be more to this story...
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Sorry to interupt but nice spot John. Your boat ? If yes , how on earth did you get the pic ?

I'm not going to dump on the poor souls who have just lost their boat but something goes awry with the engine and it floods with saltwater, the headsail is destroyed and either a lower or a shroud has let go. Either very bad luck or poor management it would seem.

JE said what I was typing pretty much. So take the above as agreement. I didn't hear specifically the word 'shroud' only 'side stay' or so I thought.
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Sailnet needs to have a full time reporter to investigate and report back to us.
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Sorry to interupt but nice spot John. Your boat ? If yes , how on earth did you get the pic ?
The shot was just taken from some high ground that forms the opposite side of the cove. I landed my dinghy at a point just beyond the lower right corner of the pic, and hiked up from there…

Newfoundland is definitely one of those places you’ve really got to trust your ground tackle when leaving the boat to explore ashore… Not a lot of margin for error in most spots, it’s characteristic of the topography of fjords that very often your only option is to anchor closer than you’d like to a rather unforgiving shoreline…
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Color me overly cautious but what are they doing in the middle of the Atlantic during hurricane season? Glad they are ok.
It would be interesting to know exactly where they were, but the CG's description of "780 miles NE of Cape Cod" is hardly the middle of the Atlantic...

In fact, such a position doesn't even place them at a longitude E of Cape Race...

If you were gonna have a rigging failure out there, you'd have to consider yourself lucky if it occurred on the starboard side, as reported...

With the prevailing southwesterlies this time of year, port tack takes you right back towards Newfoundland or Cape Breton, no?

Who knows, just sayin'... (grin)
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Sounds like the vessel wasn't that sound.
From googling around, it doesn't sound like the Gulfstar 50's were the sturdiest of construction. I don't know much about the 40ft plus boat scene, but in the sub 40's build quality talk is pretty much everything when it comes to blue water.

Do most people figure once you're past 40ft the hardware gets big enough build quality isn't as important?
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Gulfstars were very hit or miss in their design and build quality. In general, the ones from ~1975-1983 were very well designed and quite well built, but those before and after were shoddy. For instance, my surveyor said he would feel comfortable taking my boat to Bermuda, and my rigger says he would feel comfortable taking it around the world. I wouldn't consider it a blue-water cruiser though, and I doubt I'll ever take it further than Bermuda.

I don't know what vintage Triumph was, but it probably falls into the good range. That said, my research into the 50s in particular has turned up many references to wildly varying build quality boat to boat in that model, regardless of year.

I don't think once you cross a certain size threshold, any boat becomes safe for blue water. I think you'll find most people (on this board, at least) would agree that a Hunter of any size is unsuitable for crossing an ocean. You'll also find plenty of people who have made such crossings in Hunters and done just fine, so that doesn't mean the boat can't do it, it's just that it might not have as much margin for safety when things go wrong. I'm hardly an expert on this subject, and I have nothing against Hunters, I was just using that as a common example.
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I can't link to the article on the rescue here at work, but, did it say they were rescued from the water... and that the boat was still floating... am I missing something?
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I can't link to the article on the rescue here at work, but, did it say they were rescued from the water... and that the boat was still floating... am I missing something?
From the audio recording, it would appear that the Kim Jacob came to get them off their boat, and while climbing aboard, one of the Triumph crew fell into the water and wasn't retrieved for 3 hours. Triumph was still afloat when they left it (they marked it as a hazard to navigation).
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