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post #581 of 1257 Old 10-09-2011
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During your rescue, did you use Marine SSB to communicate with the coast guard? If so, do you recall the frequecy used (was it emergency freq 2182). If not SSB, what were you using.
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Casey, we used a satellite phone. Dialed a Boston number.
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Doug: you are obviously an experienced sailor with a good idea of what you want and need. I am curious: why the three cabin design if its just you and the Mrs.?
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Great they were rescued unharmed.

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Great they were rescued unharmed.

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Pardon me if I don't quite understand your concept here..... What do you mean by this comment?
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And finally, about the stern windows.... why do people fixate on the niceties as negatives, like the granite counters? Does this REALLY HAVE to be a Spartan life to satisfy you? The prior owners have logged THOUSANDS of miles in this vessel. The windows ARE THERE. This IS proof that they withstand the ocean.

Life onboard does not have to be as Spartan as some would think. In fact, life is too short to limit oneself based upon rationalizations of why they shouldn't have the goodies, the niceties, even the "fluff"!

Amazingly enough, you can have granite counters, and aft windows, and large TVs too, and still sail across the Atlantic, or to Marthas Vineyard for the weekend. And I for one would rather have these niceties than not.
The fact those windows are still there "proves" nothing, other than the fact that they have not YET been compromised... Your chainplates on the Gulfstar "proved" they were up to the task of sailing offshore, after all - until, suddenly, they weren't...

You're free to believe what you want to believe, but picture windows in a boat's transom are most definitely NOT a desirable characteristic in an offshore yacht... Now, having such a "nicety" in a liveaboard boat may be one of those trade-offs one might be willing to accept, that's up to you to decide, of course... But, it's certainly the sort of decision that needs to be informed by an awareness of the potential risk for bluewater sailing, that's all I'm saying...

I look at that boat, with all that freeboard and windage forward with that exaggerated clipper bow, and I see a boat that might have a bit of difficulty heaving-to, or lying to a sea-anchor without doing a lot of sailing about... So, with such a boat, running or lying to a drogue might be the preferred heavy weather tactic. However, with such openings in the transom, such an approach is decidedly less appealing, and might limit your options in dealing with heavy weather offshore...

Perhaps I'm just a bit more concerned with this sort of vulnerability designed into a boat, having had a couple of transom portlights on a Taiwanese boat punched in by a breaking sea while entering St. Lucie Inlet many moons ago... It was a very sobering experience, I certainly would not care to duplicate it hundreds of miles offshore, in a full-blown gale or storm...

Certainly, these two legends pictured below, would scoff at the notion of putting windows in a transom, or anywhere below deck level... That kid on the right certainly never, EVER would have drawn such a feature into one of his designs...

Then again, they're hopelessly Old School, what the hell would they know about Modern Offshore Sailing? Look at those pathetic foulies they're wearing, after all... (grin)

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Some ppl loose their common sense.

Those big windows look nice, but not really all that safe and secure.

Maybe making removable shutters for off shore is a answer? Like they do in the islands when a hurricane is on the way.
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Pardon me if I don't quite understand your concept here..... What do you mean by this comment?
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Color me overly cautious but what are they doing in the middle of the Atlantic during hurricane season? Glad they are ok.
Most folks crossing the Atlantic from west to east will leave the US/Caribbean after the official start of the hurricane season in May. With a normal passage time and a little time in port on an Azores Island, almost all boats sailing that direction will find themselves mid-atlantic during hurricane season. It's normal.

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Some ppl loose their common sense.

Those big windows look nice, but not really all that safe and secure.

Maybe making removable shutters for off shore is a answer? Like they do in the islands when a hurricane is on the way.
s/v Auspicious alluded to the use of storm covers earlier, that would certainly be the minimum precaution to be taken with such a configuration… There is a LOT of window area that would have to be covered on such a boat, and if the construction is similar to the Island Trader 51s that I have run, there is nothing special about the glass used in those deckhouse windows and portlights, they’re just a standard grade plate glass… Nothing remotely akin to the curved, close to bulletproof glass that a builder like Morris or Oyster is using in their large deck salon windows…

Still, properly securing those transom windows would appear to be problematic. They follow the shape of the transom, so there is a significant amount of curvature involved. I’d want a cover to be something like 1/2” Lexan at a minimum, but there’s no way you’re gonna get that stuff to bend to match such a curvature – so the constuction of some sort of outside mounting “frame” would probably be required…

But I’d still be nervous about such an arrangement, it would re quire a lot of faith in the security of their mounting… Dealing with storm covers on a deckhouse that might have come adrift or need to be re-secured is one thing, but those transom windows are a whole different ballgame, as there would be no way to access those storm covers at sea, or without launching the tender…


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