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Lol, I'm more glad than ever I decided to go with a real (Belgium) Bruce, way oversized for my boat (44# for an Alberg 30).

Rocna's are the ultimate placebo anchor. It really does make you believe you're getting something special, when in reality your just over paying for a pointy plow with a roll bar.. welded, and made with crappy steel no less..

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Guess it really depends; my 44# Rocna was made in 2009, in New Zealand, and has held our 33-foot boat, PLUS another unattended 38-foot boat that dragged down into us; for several hours in 30+ knots of wind. I'd heard about the switch to crappier steel from China, but based on my experiences the design of the anchor was fine; it was the materials that were the problem.
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Guess it really depends; my 44# Rocna was made in 2009, in New Zealand, and has held our 33-foot boat, PLUS another unattended 38-foot boat that dragged down into us; for several hours in 30+ knots of wind. I'd heard about the switch to crappier steel from China, but based on my experiences the design of the anchor was fine; it was the materials that were the problem.
Agreed, great design, but when the conscious decision was made to go to lower quality steel, the anchor became average at best.

Rocna's built in NZ or Canada do not have the quality problem.
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Lol, I'm more glad than ever I decided to go with a real (Belgium) Bruce, way oversized for my boat (44# for an Alberg 30).

Rocna's are the ultimate placebo anchor. It really does make you believe you're getting something special, when in reality your just over paying for a pointy plow with a roll bar.. welded, and made with crappy steel no less..

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So, I’m presuming you’ve never actually used a Rocna, correct? I doubt you’d be referring to it as a “plow”, if you’ve ever retrieved one from the bottom…

No question, your Bruce is a very good choice, and you’re wise to go oversized with it… But an original Rocna, or a Manson Supreme, would have been even better, in my opinion…

The original Belgian Bruce was my choice for many years, and still remains on my bow as my secondary, and another sits on my stern, as well… But in my experience, these new generation of anchors really do represent a significant step forward in anchor design, and are noticeably superior as an all-around single anchor choice than anything else I’ve ever used…

Again, that’s just based on my own experience, but it’s an opinion shared by others with considerable experience… I believe our own resident expert Maine Sail would approximately agree… And, for a couple of decades and through a few circumnavigations, one of the most outspoken devotees of the Bruce was Steve Dashew…

Until he tried a NZ-made Rocna, that is… they made the switch, and have never looked back…
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Yeah,yeah, Steve is a FPBer - what would he know;-)

The Rocna is a superb anchor DESIGN, it's a "bummer" that their business practices are not on the same level as the design.

Thankfully mine is an NZ built one...
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Thanks for the heads up, I will have to check my serial number.
I did not see any serial numbers mentioned or listed in the West Marine announcement. They only list model numbers. I'm not even sure that the anchor has a serial number on it. The announcement on West Marine's site does mention that the use of a "different, weaker grade of steel" began in 2010.

I purchased my Rocna in early December 2009 so I'm not sure where that leaves me. It did have a "made in China" tag on it and I started a thread here regarding that fact.

Rocna Anchor m Made in China

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This is a bad lesson for me. I was considering a change from our 75lb CQR this past winter and got all caught up in the Rocna v. Manson Supreme discussions. Even started a thread on the topic to try to better understand it Several times, I was about to buy the Rocna and the confusion kept me from pulling the trigger. Ultimately, I did nothing and have now learned that ignoring things on my to do list pays off!
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I did not see any serial numbers mentioned or listed in the West Marine announcement. They only list model numbers. I'm not even sure that the anchor has a serial number on it. The announcement on West Marine's site does mention that the use of a "different, weaker grade of steel" began in 2010.

I purchased my Rocna in early December 2009 so I'm not sure where that leaves me. It did have a "made in China" tag on it and I started a thread here regarding that fact.

Rocna Anchor m Made in China

Just emailed WM for clarification.
I bought my anchor at the exact same time. The response that Grant King provided on a Cruiser's Forum when I asked him was that the problem applies to all of the Chinese built anchors which would include our anchors. I would be interested to hear WM's take on it.
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WM is only going to repeat what Rocna says and offer their return guarantee, if you're not satisfied. They aren't going to offer advice and get in the liability chain. Unless, you consider "bummer" to be advice. . That was surprisingly unprofessional.

With complete lack of authority, I highly doubt a Chinese Rocna is ever going to fail as a lunch hook or in reasonable winds. I understood they don't meet published specs and, therefore, might be inferior to the competition, not that they are inherently dangerous. However, an anchor is a safety device and you may not know what winds you will be anchored in.
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Yeah,yeah, Steve is a FPBer - what would he know;-)

The Rocna is a superb anchor DESIGN, it's a "bummer" that their business practices are not on the same level as the design.

Thankfully mine is an NZ built one...
Did they intentionally decide to lower the grade of steel, or was this another case of the Chinese manufacturer supplying something different than was in the specs? (melamine in your baby formula, anyone?)

Where are Rocna's being made now?
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