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A drifter is very helpful around these parts (west coast of Florida, north of Tampa Bay) as the wind tends to stay on the very light side.

And to the original question.....Pics or it didn't happen. (somebody had to say it)
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blooper it is... the other?

Man, I searched to find that weird shaped triangle, but there you have it- it's just like the first picture! puddin is right on the mark. A blooper. Crazy looking thing. Can you / would you ever fly one without the spinnaker?

This other sail is/was white. It isn't like any dacron I've ever seen- it even seems to have that weird mottled weave like a tarp- although it's alot more tight/smaller. Mylar sounds possible. When I took it out of it's folded bag, the material was so light that I even started to wonder if it was a full size pattern for a jib. The attachment points proved otherwise.

It's really thin, but not silky or pliable like the spin or blooper. Maybe this one is a drifter? It doesn't seem to have a deep belly though?

Pictures, yes. The boat has 7 sails that came with it. I plan to lay out the jibs on the lawn (we have a huge lawn) so I can sort them. Some of the bags have two headsails in them, and I'd rather not guess as to their size by using the halyard. Couldn't fit all the sails in the car with the family- it'll take a couple of trips.

Kinda fun to have the mystery of a new boat- sure appreciate all of the input. Any thoughts on flying the blooper without the spin, or what this second sail might be prior to the aerial photo of all?

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Back in the day, IOR boats had all kinds of wild sails and all kinds of sail names....some of these sails were great, others not so much. The sailmakers of the era were experimenting with a wide variety of specialized sails and the large crews of that era got pretty good at making on the fly sail changes.

Its hard to say what you have unearthed but there were all kinds of of spinnakers (cross cuts, radial head, cobra head, star cuts, triradial and so on, some were great reachers and other better down wind), then there were the infill sails like bloopers as already mentioned, as well as Daisy staysails which were low cut nylon genoas which filled in below the spinacker, windseekers which where high aspect ratio reaching sails used inside the spinnaker.

There were reachers (light-weight full-cut genoas) and drifters (very light-weight genoas which were sometimes flat-cut and sometimes full-cut but generally intended for light air racing).

Even pretty small IOR boats tended to carry very large sail inventories. My little S&S designed IOR quarter tonner carried (if I remember right) 170%, 155%, 135%, 115% and 90% genoas, storm jib, drifter, dazy staysail, star cut spinnacker and a radial head spinnaker. Eventually the rule changed so that anything over a 155% genoa went away and as standing sail plans got bigger, and foretriangles got smaller, the need for exotic sail inventories was greatly diminished as well.

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Man, I searched to find that weird shaped triangle, but there you have it- it's just like the first picture! puddin is right on the mark. A blooper. Crazy looking thing. Can you / would you ever fly one without the spinnaker?
No.... but then again, you could try for fun! The interesting thing is that there's kind of a renewed interest in them locally. Kind of a nostalgia thing. I doubt any sailmaker has had an order for a new one in decades. If we had one, I know I'd fly it with the spinnaker once in awhile just for fun! Jeff, good post!

pmoore, I still think you're other sail is a drifter. Most I've seen or sailed with are mylar and white. As Jeff said, it's possible that it's a staysail of some sort as well. If there's still doubt, run it down to a local sailmaker. I'm sure they can identify it for you!
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Drifters are great in really light airs, ie under 5 knots. I have one but is made of 3 oz spin cloth. Helped many times when the wind dies to nothing. That could very well be the lighter sail.

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Jed Clampett buys a boat...

Had two outings with the new boat. Brought bags home and discovered that I have four jibbish looking sails, and the spinnaker and blooper. I spread them all out on the lawn and sorted them by size. I noticed that the crunchy-tarplike-mylarish one was considerably bigger than my hugest jibbish looking sail which I assume to be a large genoa. The cut is funny too- it must have kind of a deep belly, which makes me think that the drifter is a good description.

The tiniest jibbish sail is really reinforced and heavy. I'm guessing that it is a storm jib? It's more scalene than right. That is, from the tack, the foot goes upward to the clew as opposed to straight across. If not a storm jib, maybe a staysail?

Anywho, I've never had a boat that goes through the water like this one. Kinda like a sharp knife with crazy momentum. We were close hauled in light air and defeated the 2.5 kt. ebb with relative ease. In any event, it was fun to conquer a slight current without the diesel- something I had a hard time doing in my Coronado.

Some of these sails are a bit worn where they attach to the stay through the zipper, and some show a bit of wear at the bottom. I'm wondering if lofts will give you quotes? As a schoolteacher, I struggle to afford my obsession with the wind.

Sure appreciate you folks taking the time to answer all of my questions... It's really amazing the differences between boats.

Buc 24 - Coronado 27 - Nicholson 33 - ?

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Puddinlegs, I can't seem to PM. A dialog comes up that says I haven't posted enough yet. Anyhow, I'll be heading up tomorrow (Friday) to Pt. Orcard, WA to tinker, and then a sail on Sun or Mon. Did you receive my previous message with my contact info? In any event, thanks for the offer to help me sort out the boat- I look forward to meeting you at some point- either dockside or on the briny blue.
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Did you happen to measure the sails while they are/were at home? here is how PHRF-NW needs it done along with app if you want to race at some point in the future.
http://phrf.intransport.com/sites/de...lication_1.pdf

The small one, if it is about 25-40% of the total fortriangle, could very well be a storm jib, or slightly larger.

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Puddinlegs, I can't seem to PM. A dialog comes up that says I haven't posted enough yet. Anyhow, I'll be heading up tomorrow (Friday) to Pt. Orcard, WA to tinker, and then a sail on Sun or Mon. Did you receive my previous message with my contact info? In any event, thanks for the offer to help me sort out the boat- I look forward to meeting you at some point- either dockside or on the briny blue.

pmoore, I didn't get your info. Can you repost? (hmmmm... maybe it's on this thread? I''l another look.)
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Per the rules you have to post either 10 or 15 times before you can PM. (I'm too lazy to look up which.) In desperation you can always do what a poster on another thread did: post a string of posts, 8 more to PM, 7 more to PM, 6 more to PM... when you get to the magic number you're good to go.
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