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Flooded Boat Advice and or opinions needed!

I have been offered a 1972 Tartan 27, free of charge. The deck and hull are sound, however the cabin flooded after a snowstorm several months ago, and the owner has left the cabin sitting in standing water (it appeared to be about 5-6" deep) for several months.

His offer on the boat states that it needed a new engine, and based on articles that I have read, the original Atomic four should be replaced with a water cooled Diesel anyway, so I'm not worried about the condition of the engine.

It's everything else that I'm wondering about. I realize that this is going to take a great deal of restoration. So I guess my question is this, even as a free boat, am I looking at an enormous amount of cost to bring the cabin back to life?

I really would appreciate any/all feedback. Thanks!
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I'd hate to see another Tartan 27' sent to the dumpster. Will they give you a few grand to help with a new engine and other repairs? I didn't think so.
I've seen other T27s in working order sell for around $4K or less even.
The cost to fix up the cabin is going to depend a lot on how 'nice' you want to make it and how badly damaged the cabin is now. Hard to say without a picture.
BTW, a rebuilt Atomic 4 from Moyer would likely be much cheaper then a new diesel.
Good luck.
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best of luck,

and unless you are up for a challenge, a lot of work, and can do it ALL yourself...

In this market, you would be better to find a non flooded boat.
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If it was salt water, ALL of the wiring will need to be replaced. After that amount of time I would suspect that the bulkheads are saturated/delaminated/rotten? At a minimum this would be a very big job and, like Caleb says, probably depends on how nice you want it, but I would also be concerned with the integrity of the bulkheads and chainplates.
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The one saving grace is that it is fresh water - but I am worried about any water left standing that long. I know I would be looking at basically rebuilding the interior. John thanks for your note - I need to check the chainplates.
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It would have to be ReAlLy far gone for me to not take a free 27foot boat. If I wasn't falling through the deck, and If all the rigging and sails were in reasonable condition, I'd grab that thing faster then my wife grabs my paycheque. Bulkheads can be fabbed and tabbed pretty quick if all you want to do is get her on the water. If I had a quarter for every boat I've seen that's Bristol on the outside and crap on the inside, I'd be halfway to my next boat.

--- OTOH ---

If you want to use this boat as more than just a daysailer, then interior condition should carry a little more weight. Ugly plywood will do just fine for jamming in as a bulkhead, but longevity will suffer along with livability. If you won't be doing the work yourself, then this thing will cost you loads of cash that would be better spent on a boat that's ready to go.

Sounds like a fun project..... please keep us informed.
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interior work is one of the most difficult. what is the rest of the boat like. if you spend time and money in the interior will that be all it needs? I would think not. what else will it need. how old is the rigging. by the time you can sail it you will have double the money of what you could buy a good usable boat for. unless you are just looking for a big project then pass. Even a boat in very good shape will require a lot of time and work so unless you have nothing but time on your hands.
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I would think it depends on your version of nice BUT in general after doing a pretty big refit it will NOT work out well from a money standpoint never mind the 1.5 years of labor AND i had TWO GOOD A4s to work with
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5-6 inches, may not be a bid deal. Get inside and assess the actual condition of the wood- It may be salvagable.
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First of all, there's no such thing as a "Free" boat. Doesn't exsist. Having said that, here's some things that I've learned, being the frugal person that I am. Anything and everything that I've started "without" on a sailboat has cost me at least triple to add or replace later. It's the little things that add up, and they do so very quick in this hobby of ours. For instance, did you know that one winch can run at the least several hundred dollars to well over $1,000.00? Also, things like the mainsail halyard, if you go the "saving money route" will run you $100.00 by itself. Don't get me started on things like, engine replacements ($6K), chainplate rebedding ($400 + untold # of manhours), etc. etc.
Now, I don't want to be the "legion of doom" here, because nothing is more exciting than your very first sailboat. I just want to make you aware of all the "little hidden" things that can put a huge damper on your dream before you even get started. Find someone that knows a little bit about sailboats, take him or her out to this boat and get their opinion, because ultimately, those of us in this forum, having not even seen a picture, couldn't come any closer to advising you correctly than the lamp post on the street corner. Whatever you do, best wishes and fair winds.
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