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Number one at this point my hull is COMPLEATLY DRY and the deck has been kept covered and ready to be sounded and moisture metered for core issues IF your gonna get it wet and dirty so the next person in line can't have the hull checked till enough time passes YOU better be prepared to risk some deposit money

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Here are some pictures of what I saw. My only concerns are the cracking in the glass. Don't know if it is significant or not. Otherwise, it's mostly exterior cosmetics.

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Here are the concerns.
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looks a bit rough to me

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For those insisting on a sea trial....would you be willing to pay a non-refundable deposit, say $300-$500 to the selling owner to assure him that you are serious and not just looking for a fun day on the water at someone else's expense? I know of a couple of cases where for the sea trial, the whole family, parents and kids, showed up for the afternoon sail, and of course, didn't buy the boat. No deficiencies in the boat...just decided against the deal.

If the boat is in the water or ready to launch, a seller might not mind, maybe even enjoy showing the boat, but if the boat has to be rigged and launched at the seller's expense, the potential buyer should be willing to share in the expense.

If you were buying a new boat, say $80K-200K and the dealer doesn't have your particular model available, would you still insist on a prepurchase sea trial? How would you and dealer arrange it?

If you had deep pockets and commissioned a builder to build a custom, one off boat for you, would you require a prepurchase sea trial? Do you think a builder would agree to such an arrangement?

Would most people buying an entry level boat really have enough experience to fairly judge a boat's sailing characteristics and features? Or are we looking for free joy rides in a deal where we control all the strings?
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I guess where i'm going is, If the boat were at a dock, in the water, it would be one thing to seatrial it. On a trailer, not close to water, 4k, I almost feel awkward asking. Now, same scenario, but 20k, maybe a different story.

I've been scouring craigslist and sailboatlistings.com, found some nice boats, but w/o trailer. I am, however, dumbfounded by the lack of pictures in peoples ads.

Another question; Is anti-fouling paint necessary on a trailer sailer in fresh water?

I do appreciate the feedback, good and bad. The exterior is a little rough, the interior was great. The cracks are where my ignorance lies. Is this a structural thing, does this require major repair? I'd be more comfortable if the motor was seized or the wiring was hacked, thats easy(for me). I stuck my head in every space it would fit with a flashlight, everything looked dry and clean. No rust stains whatsoever on or around any stainless. The only soft spot was where you feet land when entering the cabin, and that looked more like a plastic cover than fiberglass. The (approx 1 1/2 square) had a little bounce when I enterered.

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I think what you are talking about is gelcoat crazing. Hard to see from your photos, but I do so see some. It's very common to some extent on many boats and is basically cosmetic. It's not structural.
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How many would recommend buying a $4k car without a test drive ?
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As far as non-refundable deposit for a seatrial--that's CRAZY talk.

I would never take kids on a sea trial, or people with a cooler full of food and beer. A sea trial is you take the boat out and test everything.

You want a comparison? If you were selling your house, and the buyer wanted to have a party to see if the bbq was hot enough and the spa could hold all their friends?

If I feel like the person may be wanting to just go for a cruise, I throw the non-refundable at them, and they usually walk away. The only sea trials I've ever done were to people who after the seatrial handed over the money and took the boat. And they weren't nonrefundable.

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I guess where i'm going is, If the boat were at a dock, in the water, it would be one thing to seatrial it. On a trailer, not close to water, 4k, I almost feel awkward asking. Now, same scenario, but 20k, maybe a different story.
Fair enough -- you're the one working with the owner and possibly buying the boat; it's your call to make regardless of what folks here might think. If you're comfortable with it, then that's what counts.

The one thing I'd really recommend is that you at least raise the mast to: a) make sure you know how it's done on this boat; b) make sure that all the pieces are there; and c) to make sure the mast & rigging fit. This may require having the owner move it to a place other than his driveway, but doesn't seem to be that onerous of demand to make.

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Another question; Is anti-fouling paint necessary on a trailer sailer in fresh water?
If you intend to keep it as a true trailer sailer (i.e., launch and recover for each sail) then no. If you intend to keep her in the water at a dock, then yes you'll want an anti-fouling paint on the hull.

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The cracks are where my ignorance lies. Is this a structural thing, does this require major repair?
From the shots you've posted, I'd agree that they are most likely stress cracks in the gelcoat. As long as there is no broken glass on the underside, they're probably cosmetic and not structural defects. You can fix the gelcoat pretty simply, but you may want to consider reinforcing the underside with another layer or three of glass cloth/epoxy.
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