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I don't see any confusion whatsoever.

A man in the water can't swim forever, or stand the heat loss. Every minute is one closer to death if not retrieved and you might lose sight of them.

An amputation most certainly could infect or bleed out, so I think the guaranteed survivability in your example is what is confusing the matter. Unless you were able to treat aboard, that would be a Mayday.

You claim that urgent requires immediate attention and assistance. I will have to pull the text, but I didn't think Pan Pan meant you needed immediate attention, but will need assistance.
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"You claim that urgent requires immediate attention and assistance. "
No sir, I do not make that claim. I find it made, and defined, in dozens of places on the internet. Of course all those definitions could be written by dogs (you never know who's a dog on the internet) but that seems to be the common, ubiqous, and constant definition behind "urgency". Requiring immediate attention.
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"You claim that urgent requires immediate attention and assistance. "
No sir, I do not make that claim. I find it made, and defined, in dozens of places on the internet. Of course all those definitions could be written by dogs (you never know who's a dog on the internet) but that seems to be the common, ubiqous, and constant definition behind "urgency". Requiring immediate attention.
WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF MARINE RADIO COMMUNICATIONS, THESE ARE THE DEFINITIONS AND DISTINCTIONS

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MAYDAY means a mobile unit or person is threatened by grave and imminent danger and requests immediate assistance.

PAN PAN means the calling station has a very urgent message to transmit concerning the safety of a mobile unit or a person.
Safety and Distress Radiotelephone Procedures - TP 9878 E - Transport Canada

Mayday - grave and imminent danger

Pan Pan - no grave or imminent danger

I am guessing that, for some bizarre political reason, you are choosing not to understand.

Now show us your definitions within the context of marine radio communications.
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You also have to cancel a Pan-Pan the same way you are required to cancel a Mayday with a "Silence Finee" to let everyone know that the situation is under control and that you no longer need assistance.
I'd be interested in knowing more about that. Silence Finee probably French, pronounced seelonce finay; I think that is to cancel a mayday. I think 'Cancel Pan Pan' is used to cancel a pan-pan, right?
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I'd be interested in knowing more about that. Silence Finee probably French, pronounced seelonce finay; I think that is to cancel a mayday. I think 'Cancel Pan Pan' is used to cancel a pan-pan, right?
This is the procedure

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33.16 § 8 When an urgency announcement or call and message was transmitted to more
than one station and action is no longer required, an urgency cancellation should be sent by the
station responsible for its transmission.
The urgency cancellation should consist of:
– the urgency signal PAN PAN, spoken three times;
– “all stations”, spoken three times;
– the words THIS IS;
– the name of the station transmitting the urgency message, spoken three times;
– the call sign or any other identification;
– the MMSI (if the initial announcement has been sent by DSC);
– PLEASE CANCEL URGENCY MESSAGE OF time in UTC.
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