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...Late Friday night I received the 'corrected' bill from the mechanic with the original date and invoice number...
Did it have the reduced charge like the one sent to the lien company, or the same inflated charge of the original one he sent you?
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Update on the Mechanics lien.

The two bills were identical except for the name of the boat and the amount charged; I accepted the lower price corrected bill with the proper boat model.

It was not so much about the money (10%) as the loss of an entire year of sailing; I was told 6-8 weeks in March.

On the sea trial Friday the boat hit hull speed at about 2800 rpm; no smoke and little vibration. The only problem was because the engine rotates the propeller in a different direction (I bought a new propeller) the existing shifter is backwards. Think reverse when you want to go forward? The mechanic has promised to fix this though I certainly think it should have been fixed already.

Everyone lost something on this installation.
1) I lost my boat for an entire year.
2) The other contractors at the marina lost my business because I was concerned about legal fees.
3) the mechanic will need to pay the lien company.
4) the mechanic may need to worry about the Maryland Attorney General.

There has to be a better way for major work to be done to protect both the owner and contractor. Next time I will insist on:

1) Get a quote in writing (not an estimate).
2) Weekly or bimonthly written (e-mail) communication on documented progress.
3) A performance penalty for milestones not being met unless reasonable reasons are documented in communications. (This is to make sure your work is a priority for the contractor).

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George, if you had any proof of the 6-8 weeks estimate the loss of use for the entire season would have a value in damages. Might not need the proof if someone were to ask "what's the normal time for this kind of work? Why did this take 4x? 6x? normal?"

On the engine running backwards...unless the transmission ratio is the same in forward and reverse, that might be a problem. Wrong ratios, wrong speeds, wrong loads...Please do look into that carefully before the expert turns around the shift lever.
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IMHO dont let the mech touch your boat ever again not even to "fix" the shifter ..
consider yourself lucky you have your boat back & the eng even runs.

I have been a pro eng man most my life and any mech that would put you through what you have been through allready...isnt a eng man peroid.....letting him touch anything at this point is just asking for it .

believe it or not I have seen ppl make a lifetime out of being a mech , that I wouldnt let change my oil !! sorry state of affairs I could tell you HORROR stories about it ...

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I would love to see liquidating damages in a marine contract, but will be shocked if anyone ever does. The problem is that ALL vendors in the supply chain are as likely to cause delays, ie hauling, parts, engine mech, hull mech. Not to mention that mother nature can delay much of this, or for that matter, delay the job right before you, which delays yours.

Given all these factors, I find the marine industry takes on a laid back, go with the flow attitude and expects their customers to understand. Drives me nuts.
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"believe it or not I have seen ppl make a lifetime out of being a mech , that I wouldnt let change my oil !!"

Kinda reminds me of the commercial the US Army ran some years ago, a young guy with a heavy "moutain south" accent standing in front of the camera saying "Heyck, when I wuz in high schul I culdn't even change the earl in ma car, now the army done gone taught me to service this Apache helo copter!"

And I'm saying it myself...OK, do I really want to fly in that helicopter, if the mechanic couldn't figure out how to do an oil change without formal training....No wonder Mr. Rogers preferred to walk in his neighborhood.

Maybe someone had a problem and is clean and sober now. Congratulations, but not something I want to get knee-deep with when I'm hiring help!
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GREETINGS EARTHLING, I do not know US law but if the Mec has the wrong boat manufature down and the work is not up to standard I think yo need a yacht survayer to confirm that you are right to reject the work as not up to standard (legal term in UK.)ask other boaters in the area have they had any dealings with said mec and form a user groupe Go SAFE

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...On the engine running backwards...unless the transmission ratio is the same in forward and reverse, that might be a problem. Wrong ratios, wrong speeds, wrong loads...Please do look into that carefully before the expert turns around the shift lever.
I've never even owned an inboard, but this is the first thing I thought of when OP mentioned the engine rotating the opposite direction. IMO, the mechanic should have pointed this out to you before selling you the motor, or even the prop. Something really sounds off with this guy.
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Well, at the very least, I'm glad to see that you've actually made progress with this clown. The sea trial thing was criminal, in my mind. As far as the lien goes, at least in Oregon, a lawsuit must be filed in order to foreclose on a lien.

Lien companies are hacks, and should be treated as such. Pursue the claim through the AG's office, and anybody else that can cause pain for this clown.

Sorry you lost your season.
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I got nutin'

but maybe this will lighten the mood.

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because its worth it!



seriously GOOD LUCK! you need some.
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