are sailors cheap - Page 7 - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest > General Discussion (sailing related)
 Not a Member? 


Like Tree6Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #61  
Old 12-11-2011
GreatKetch33
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 38
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
Deric is on a distinguished road
If possible, the gift of food such as donuts may help build a positive impression. It's also difficult for one to debate with a mouthful of donuts.

The frame of the mind when making comparisons helps to comfort the owner so as to think they understand. The debate of differences is common -- sailors: motorboaters; rides Honda: rides Harley; wet suit diver; dry suit diver.. Etc...

Of course one commonality is money. We know how quickly money can influence behavior; thus, making exception to thinking.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #62  
Old 12-11-2011
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,077
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 10
sawingknots is on a distinguished road
its been my experince in my young life that lower income folks are often the most generous
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #63  
Old 12-11-2011
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Narragansett Bay
Posts: 8,682
Thanks: 10
Thanked 113 Times in 107 Posts
Rep Power: 6
Minnewaska will become famous soon enough Minnewaska will become famous soon enough
Those that have ever worked a job that relied upon tips are often the most generous.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Jeanneau 54DS

In the harsh marine environment, something is always in need of repair. Margaritas fix everything.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #64  
Old 12-11-2011
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 9
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
lilslippery is on a distinguished road
I dont think we are cheap. We may not be buying the large amounts of gas, but we pay for every thing just like the gas boats,slip fees, power,water, pump outs, food, ect.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #65  
Old 12-11-2011
pdqaltair's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Deale, MD
Posts: 2,091
Thanks: 1
Thanked 24 Times in 24 Posts
Rep Power: 6
pdqaltair is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Minnewaska View Post
Those that have ever worked a job that relied upon tips are often the most generous.
Or perhaps those that have worked jobs without tips see it differently. Half full, half empty.

I never allowed employees to accept tips. It seemed to lead towards favoritism. I felt they should treat grumps the same as outwardly nicer folks; tipping behavior is an unreliable indicator of character, in my expereince.
__________________
(when asked how he reached the starting holds on a difficult rock climbing problem that clearly favored taller climbers - he was perhaps 5'5")

"Well, I just climb up to them."

by Joe Brown, English rock climber




To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #66  
Old 12-11-2011
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,077
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 10
sawingknots is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Minnewaska View Post
Those that have ever worked a job that relied upon tips are often the most generous.
i'd say those who've worked a job period,excluding doctors,lawyers etc those who must decide,which bill should i pay this payday and which can wait
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #67  
Old 12-12-2011
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 125
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 3
INMA is on a distinguished road
Being Australian, I could never understand the American tipping system, I grew up with the payment for service included in the purchase price. If you did not like the service, then you would buy elsewhere and the business would suffer.

I visited America (I particularly remember New York) on business with all expenses paid for by the company but could not bring myself to tip when the service was crap. I had an argument in a NY hotel over a tip and made it clear to the guy I was happy to tip when the service was good but his attitude sucked enough I was happy to argue all day. I then gave the restaurant a king sized tip for a great meal just to put home I was not stingy and I do understand how it works. I got great service for the rest of the trip from the restaurant.

I travel through the poorer parts of Asia and have observed that tourists tipping and in particular over tipping is a huge problem. With tourists throwing away money comes a flood of beggars and the trolls who manage the begging making sure the people on the street cannot escape exploitation. The rich need to be more aware of the poor ethics of gifts of money and the exploitation that feeds off those gifts.

I have a small yacht which has been used in most protected waters in Australia's East Coast. We use marinas because we have very limited capacity so after about 5 days out, its time to find a berth and refresh.

Perhaps Australia is different but my modest yacht has been welcomed at every marina that we have stopped at. We pay our dock fee of about $50 a night (some are less) buy our ice and use the laundry.

I have motored into places like Hamilton Island when conditions have resulted in larger yachts cancelling and staying in the anchorage. After the first visit (when the dock hands check your boat handling skills), I was left to my own because they were happy I would not create any issues. Indeed one time when they were particularly full they directed me to berth under the bow of a huge motor cruiser, I was latter told that nobody was allowed near the big yacht because the dock hands were so worried about anyone touching the big yacht, yet they let me in under her bow (I have the photo to prove it).

After a few days we are seldom clean and organised, the boat is often salt encrusted and there are a few stains on the decks to prove past adventures, I doubt the poor appearance influences the dock hands opinions. Appearance of our yacht quickly improves after a few hours at the dock. At times things change and we have needed to move to help accommodate a larger boat or position a boat so it can leave unassisted in the night. We have always been happy to do these things which keeps the work of the marina staff as easy as possible.

Compared to larger yachts we certainly don't spend as much money at the marina, we don't tip and we have always been welcomed. I do appreciate the marina staff here are excellent boatmen who seem to appreciate someone who takes reasonable direction and likewise knows when to say "thankyou I am fine docking my boat from here". That is not just because I don't need their help, I know they are busy and need to get on with other stuff.

So in Australia we don't tip and we get pretty good service. I am always polite and have learnt not to hurry and take the lead on work pace from the dock hands.

When I have had a good time, I have handed the folks (very discretely) a few beers for their after work drink. I have been known to sit down with them in the evening for a beer and tell few lies.

I like other's comments regarding you get what you give. Be polite relaxed and competent, listen to their instructions and stay calm and things are generally good. As for being cheap, no I could afford a much bigger yacht but then I would probably do less sailing. I could spend more at the marina but it would not make anyone wealthy. And a smile might not cost much, its priceless, but it is not cheap.

Last edited by INMA; 12-12-2011 at 09:04 PM.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Really cheap Mac 25 vs. cheap Rhodes 22 ?? sealover Boat Review and Purchase Forum 7 11-13-2010 01:09 PM
Re: Connecting Sailors to Sailboats / or Sailors to Sailors NewsReader Mass Bay Sailors 0 05-25-2007 12:15 AM
Connecting Sailors to Sailboats / or Sailors to Sailors NewsReader Mass Bay Sailors 0 05-25-2007 12:15 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:38 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012