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I believe for the sake of this discussion a copy of the the official reports as prepared by myself and the Venezuelan Armada would be a good starting point. Again, I'm working with my insurance company, and promise to provide both reports when this matter is settled. As Captain of Apuej BienI take full responsibility for the grounding, however I was not allowed to proceed on a course of my choosing which ultimately impacted the outcome. Hindsight is 20/20.
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By the way, has anyone sailed the Venezuelan waters in the past two years, I have!
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td, apologies graciously accepted but not needed. Perhaps I need to update my charts, they still say "Here be dragons" in some parts, so to me the existence or behavior of dragons is quite relevant to my sailing. Unless one questions the cartographers who put that little warning on the charts. Money, politics, mind-altering drugs...there must be some reason for that note on the charts. Do not lick the quill pen after using the silver ink, perhaps?
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td, apologies graciously accepted but not needed. Perhaps I need to update my charts, they still say "Here be dragons" in some parts, so to me the existence or behavior of dragons is quite relevant to my sailing. Unless one questions the cartographers who put that little warning on the charts. Money, politics, mind-altering drugs...there must be some reason for that note on the charts. Do not lick the quill pen after using the silver ink, perhaps?
HS ... maybe I've licked too many of those ag impregnated quill pens in my time but I've always thought "here be dragons" to be a tempting invitation to visit ...
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Dude, take your medication, or, alternately, stop.
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And for the local elections, where only 8% vote? And that had a President who lost two elections?

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Look, steel, I agree with you and I like having a good political stoush (I really do). But let's please keep this marginally sailing related. At the very least, until a copy of the reports are out and we can look them over.
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I myself am having trouble understanding how the OP got onto the rocks? Short of the Navy forcing them into the rocks as the skipper of the boat are you not responsible for your boat above all others?

Its not clear to me what the OP was doing, nor what the Navy was requesting that he/she do thus I cannot understand how the boat was grounded. I can understand the OP's anguish at loosing his/her boat.
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I believe for the sake of this discussion a copy of the the official reports as prepared by myself and the Venezuelan Armada would be a good starting point. Again, I'm working with my insurance company, and promise to provide both reports when this matter is settled. As Captain of Apuej BienI take full responsibility for the grounding, however I was not allowed to proceed on a course of my choosing which ultimately impacted the outcome. Hindsight is 20/20.
Once you settle with the insurance I'd like to see the report!

and more importantly, what, if any other options you legally had.

you were in their territorial waters when stopped, correct? (even though you cleared out)
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It might be interesting to know what flag Apuej BIEN sails under. The US Vessel Documentation Center has no record of it, so apparently this incident concerns a vesselflying an unknown flag, while in Venezualan waters, although the blog seems to indicate the owners are resident in Floirda? Is the vessel simply state registered in Florida? Or flagged in Venezuala? Or...?

I don't recognize "Apuej" in my limited language sets, how about a hint here?
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