What's going on with Kelly Hanson sails?

[Caribbean2012]

Interesting post.

However, it appears to be nothing more than conjuncture. Much worse, it may even be your opinion. And we all know what opinions are like.....

I guess I am missing something here. The company is out of business. This all seems like such a waste of energy. Why don't you go out and do something positive for the sport and industry.

Since we know that won't happen, let's try this on for size.....

As a legal counsel to a large corporation, I know a little bit about slander and libel. why don't you let the public know the following:

1. Who specifically was incompetent running this business? I assume Kelly-Hanson was a partnership? Was it Kelly, Hanson or both?

2. Who specifically was unscrupulous in this business? I assume Kelly-Hanson was a partnership? Was it Kelly, Hanson or both?

3. You charge that management had a long history of threatening individuals with legal action. Please provide this forum with a list a complete list of who was threatened and copies of the complaints.

You defiantly shouted to the world that you "know the answers'. Then let's hear it.

I sure hope that you have documented proof of the bile that you are posting.

You may just end up pissing me off enough where I get a hold of this Kelly or Hanson and offer my services for free.

Peace on earth, good will towards man.

[Caribbean2012]

Oh. Thanks for the welcome!

Yes, this is my second post.

Fortunately, I will never get anywhere near the 5,000 posts the two of you have racked up.

Counsellor: Please be advised that personal attacks on fellow members is in viloation of Forum Rules. Please read the rulles and abide by them. Jeff_H Forum Moderator

[Caribbean2012]

Come on boys.

I hear the New York Times is hiring.

Also hear Ralph Nader is looking for a running mate.

You talk big. Now let's see the proof.

Three simple questions. Answer them.

Please!

[Caribbean2012]

One last poke.

I wonder why you folks didn't whip up a crap storm when Momentum Sails went under. That happened this year as well.

Come on. I am sure you guys are in the know. Who was incompetent and/or unscrupulous there?

Even better. Where were you when Sailnet was in dire financial straights?

Why not dig up information about the ownership and let us know what happened there? Based on your gee whiz knowledge of business management, I am sure you can pinpoint was incompetent and unscrupulous as well.

But I digress.

Most human beings are not interested in seeing the results of a car accident.I want an answer to the three questions above. In fact I have a fourth. How does it feel to have gone through life and not made a single mistake?

......angels we have heard on high.....

[Sailormon6]

Originally Posted by Caribbean2012

Interesting post.

As a legal counsel to a large corporation, I know a little bit about slander and libel.

As a trial lawyer with many years experience, I know a little about it, too.

Since you seem to have a huge ego and love to talk about this particular subject, why don't you let the public know the following.

1. Who specifically was incompetent running this business? I assume Kelly-Hanson was a partnership? Was it Kelly, Hanson or both?

I didn't say anyone was incompetent.

2. Who specifically was unscrupulous in this business? I assume Kelly-Hanson was a partnership? Was it Kelly, Hanson or both?

I didn't say anyone was unscrupulous.

3. You charge that management had a long history of threatening individuals with legal action. Please provide this forum with a list a complete list of who was threatened and copies of the complaints.

I didn't say any such thing. I asked a question.

You defiantly shouted to the world that you "know the answers'. Then let's hear it.

I'll resist your invitation to tell you what I really think.

I sure as hell hope that you that you and the few pieces of human garbage here have documented proof of the bile that you are posting.

I haven't posted bile. I just asked questions and invited folks to seek the answers for themselves.

You shouldn't call people human garbage. Some might regard that as defamation.

[Jeff_H]

Caribbean 2012:
I don't have a dog in this fight but whatever your opinion, ad hominem attacks are a violation of forum rules and I have now had to remove personal attacks from half of the posts you have made to date. Please read forum rules and abide by them.

And one more point, it seems to me that you had your three questions answered. The answer given was go online and do your own simple research and see what you conclude for yourself.

The rest of you: You all know better.

Jeff_H
SailNet Moderator

[Caribbean2012]

Now Moderator.

This entire thread is a direct violation of this sites TOU.

Why don't you do everyone a favor and redact every post that contains slanderous comments about an individual or company.

The problem here is everything is speculation and I haven't seen a single fact to back up their assertion.

[Caribbean2012]

The dude says he knows all the answers.

He said he knows about individuals who have been threatened with litigation.

I say that is pure speculation without any proof.

More importantly, how would the ownership of this forum like to named in a libel suit.

No defamation here, Tiger. Go back and get a real law degree.

[mdbee]

Originally Posted by Caribbean2012

What is the deal here?

The overall state of this sport and it's related industry has been in a death spiral for the past four years.

There have been several small and large companies that have been around for a long time that no longer exist.

From what I have read, this was a small, family owned company that was in business for close to ten years and fell victim to the worst down turn in the economy in decades. They aren't the first and they won't be the last when it is all said and done.

Why do you people feel it is necessary to publicly beat up on these people like this? Do you actually believe there was some plot to "steal" your money? I am pretty sure that wasn't the case.

And why wouldn't you have just disputed the charge with your credit card company and moved on to another loft?

There are more than a handful of big names in this sport that are literally holding on day-by-day with the hope things improve.

Behavior like this is embarrassing and destructive. There is nothing good that comes from it.

All I can see is a small group of people who obviously have nothing better to do in life getting some sort of perverse thrill out of the misery of another.

I suggest you go back and read prior posts regarding KH. (they go back for years) You might gain some perspective.

[mdbee]

Interesting post. Almost like you are personally offended.

Originally Posted by Caribbean2012

The dude says he knows all the answers.

He said he knows about individuals who have been threatened with litigation.

I say that is pure speculation without any proof.

More importantly, how would the ownership of this forum like to named in a libel suit.

No defamation here, Tiger. Go back and get a real law degree.