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In the interest of fair disclosure, philosophically, I agree with the point about factories producing items cheaply overseas, especially when those factories are doing so to circumvent polution and worker safety rules in the States, and philosophically, I am also concerned with the shipping of jobs overseas to people who are not paid above the prevailing wage where they live. I see these are big societal issues, but ones which I personally try to weigh when making big purchases. My personal opinion on these issues have nothing to do with the various actions taken here.
While these issues are related to the problems of Ameican Yacht builders and suppliers, including the apparently now defunct sail loft in question, I also understand that some of you believe that the issues being raised may go beyond the specific issues being discussed in this thread. Yet in moderating this thread, regardless of my viewpoint,within the context of this discussion, I believe that these are still valid discussion points and so therefore they have been allowed to remain in this thread rather than being moved to Off-Topic. Similarly discussion about the Sailmakers in question has been allowed to remain as they appear to be based on information that is either personal or can be based on the online citations referenced, the veracity of which can only be judged by the reader.
What has been deleted are items that were perceived by myself, and my fellow moderators as personal attacks and threats in violation of forum rules. Our goal in doing so was not to censor or muzzle a diverse point of view, but to maintain this site as a place where people can engage in a lively dialogue, even one in which there are clearly strongly held divergent points of view, without posters feeling threatened or personally attacked for their viewpoint. Forum rules allow you to argue the facts all day long but do not permit a member to demean fellow posters.
For those of you who do not know, SailNet's moderators were all normal SailNet members who were then asked to assist in policing the site. We are un-paid volunteers who do this simply because we believe in what SailNet offers, in other words, a family friendly forum for discussing sailing issues. We work hard to balance that goal, with being fair-minded and even handed. If we have an agenda, it is to provide a place where all viewponts can be civilly explored. When in doubt, we discuss our concerns amougst ourselves, behind the scene and generally reach a consensus before we take a serious action.
I also want to mention the comments made about SailNet's earlier bankruptsy. I have been a poster on SailNet since sometime in the early to mid-1990's and was a normal member at the time of the reorganzation. In fact, I had a NEMA to Raymarine Seatalk translator on order at the time the company folded and its assets were purchased by the current owners. After the company was reorganized I received an email offering to either deliver the part or else credit my credit card. I think I took the credit but I can't recall. I had figured the amount charged was lost and was appreciative that the new owners chose to do the right thing. It was several years later I was offered and agreed to the opportunity to be a moderator on this site.
I hope that those of you who have descibed having outstanding balances will see an acceptable resolution. For the rest of you, I will caution everyone against casting speculative aspersions.
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Curmudgeon at Large- and rhinestone in the rough, sailing my Farr 11.6 on the Chesapeake Bay