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I know a lot of you feel you are above visiting the off topic area of this site, but this thread is OFF TOPIC. That's where it belongs.
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See what you started Shawn

I have to say I agree with Travelingeasy about the ability to ever get this under control.

My only comment is that no one organizatiuon or effort will accomnplish this and that every small increment that is done that will lessen or prevent the pollution of the Bay should take place. Lake Erie has been cleaned up noticably over a great period of time and it has runoff problems and sewarage problems like the Chessie does.

Spending taxpayer money for infrastructure of organizations is no help of course, neither is throwing your hands up ion dispair and saying there is no way to do this..

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Perhaps. Although, unlike a random political topic, recreational sailors become targets of extreme environmental initiatives and there is some value in our community being versed in points of view. Its borderline.
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I agree the Bay will probably never be cleaner than it is now. I lived in the Annapolis area from 1983 until 2001. Every year the bay got worse, visit every summer since 2001 and every year it is worse. Used to swim in the waters around Annapolis up until 2001, when the water was questionable as to bacteria levels, but looking at the water now there is no way I would swim in it around Annapolis. A lot of people try to clean it up but the road and building development just overwelms any progress (sad really). Think of this, the bay averages what 20 feet? And look at all the strom run off going into that small volume, and the turnover rate for the bay waters- take a plane ride over the bay to get a good perspective of the problem.

One thing I do not understand, why not ban the sale of all lawn fertilizers in the entire Chesapeake drainage area. Fertilizer is not needed by any homeowner to make their lawn look better- it mostly just ends up in the bay contributing to plankton blooms. A few years ago a lawmaker had suggested this, but it was shot down. It all comes down to money- too many people make money off selling things like fertilizer. This would be one simple step that would not only save the bay, but save homeowners money. Then we can move on to the harder steps needed to clean the bay.

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Perhaps. Although, unlike a random political topic, recreational sailors become targets of extreme environmental initiatives and there is some value in our community being versed in points of view. Its borderline.
I don't disagree. Recreational sailors also become targets of industrial and municipal pollution.
My point is that it is not fair to pick one particular issue and decide that because it concerns a certain geographic area that it is sailing related while another persons pet gripe about a different geographic area is not.

But it's mostly just sour grapes on my part. It really doesn't bother me except that the rules seem to be applied differently at different times.
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Yeah - people we pay to study the bay say so. Don't confuse sediment with pollution. No Swimming/fishing signs are up because of regulation. The signs (or regulation) did not cause pollution.
The Clean Air and Clean water acts made a great difference, without them who can imagine what the bay would be like today. Regulation has been working to slowly improve conditions against a tide of commercial and corporate development and population growth throughout the watershed. Simply not getting worse year after year is a partial victory Do you really think we'd be better of had nothing been done in the last 40 years? Do you believe we should abandon all efforts now so we can save a few bucks on taxes?
No, it isn't.

Further, "not as bad as it could be" is unmeasurable and leads to bloated ineffective government and regulations. No thank you, been there, done that.

The point being made is that without measurement, we let government agencies spend more and grow without fixing the problems. They go on more trips, hire underlings, build little empires, and don't fix what needs to be fixed. And you can't use "money spent" as a measure of success, unless you work there and it's your fiefdom.

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One thing I do not understand, why not ban the sale of all lawn fertilizers in the entire Chesapeake drainage area. Fertilizer is not needed by any homeowner to make their lawn look better- it mostly just ends up in the bay contributing to plankton blooms. A few years ago a lawmaker had suggested this, but it was shot down. It all comes down to money- too many people make money off selling things like fertilizer. This would be one simple step that would not only save the bay, but save homeowners money. Then we can move on to the harder steps needed to clean the bay.
I completely agree. But it's not mainly the guy selling the fertilizer that you have to fight , it's the guy dumping it in his yard. Perhaps there should be an environmental tax on lawn fertilizer to encourage more judicious use and provide funds for dealing w/ it.
But there are more guys fertilizing their yards than there are "yachts" so guess where the laws are aimed.
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I completely agree. But it's not mainly the guy selling the fertilizer that you have to fight , it's the guy dumping it in his yard. Perhaps there should be an environmental tax on lawn fertilizer to encourage more judicious use and provide funds for dealing w/ it.

But there are more guys fertilizing their yards than there are "yachts" so guess where the laws are aimed.
1) If greener lawns for less money and no fertilizer works, (I doubt it) then you have an education problem, not a regulatory problem.

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And you can't use "money spent" as a measure of success,

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Whenever government fails it's always due to lack of funding!!
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I really don't understand the obsession with perfectly manicured lawns. Who gets off on creating a perfectly uniform patch of green? Why is that so exciting? I never fertilize or even water my lawn. I "cut it high, and leave it lie". I have .56 acres and it's always lush and green, except for the heavily shaded areas under my trees.

Vegetable gardening, growing some roses or other specialty plants, I guess I can understand, but that uses less fertilizer than covering an entire lawn. Are homeowners really the problem, or is it farms using fertilizer on their crops?
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