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Until the City of Baltimore severely upgrades the Back Creek Sewage Treatment Plant to modern standards and the City of (and county of) Baltimore separates storm water from sewage the Northern Chesapeake will continue to be an 'open sewer' for a very long time into the future ... a potentially extremely financially costly project that isnt going to happen because of ... 'sovereign immunity'. To remedy, ALL the sewers in Baltimore would have to be dug up and a parallel & separate storm water & separate sewer system would have to be installed. Aint gonna happen!
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I really don't understand the obsession with perfectly manicured lawns. Who gets off on creating a perfectly uniform patch of green? Why is that so exciting? I never fertilize or even water my lawn. I "cut it high, and leave it lie". I have .56 acres and it's always lush and green, except for the heavily shaded areas under my trees.

Vegetable gardening, growing some roses or other specialty plants, I guess I can understand, but that uses less fertilizer than covering an entire lawn. Are homeowners really the problem, or is it farms using fertilizer on their crops?
1) I don't get it either but I don't need lawn-cops!!

2) It's the Chicken Poop!!
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I really don't understand the obsession with perfectly manicured lawns. Who gets off on creating a perfectly uniform patch of green? Why is that so exciting? I never fertilize or even water my lawn. I "cut it high, and leave it lie". I have .56 acres and it's always lush and green, except for the heavily shaded areas under my trees.

Vegetable gardening, growing some roses or other specialty plants, I guess I can understand, but that uses less fertilizer than covering an entire lawn. Are homeowners really the problem, or is it farms using fertilizer on their crops?
I with you on the lawn issue. I lived in a waterfront house directly on the bay in Annapolis and never used fertilizer and planted trees and vegitation on the entire lot to help with erosion and storm water run off. Parents live in Baltimore and never use any fertilizer on their 5 acres of lawn (probably could not afford it either). In the urban areas around the bay (Baltimore, Washington, Annapolis) I think lawn fertilizer is a big contributor especially in the summer when people put the stuff on and then a big thunder storm washes it into the storm sewer. Areas like eastern shore and PA I would think farm run off would be a big issue- but the Chicken poop problem was at least addressed by stricter regs about 15 years ago when the Pfiesteria
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An increase in any population, whether zebra muscles, plant life or humans, they change the current ecosystem. It's happened naturally throughout time, with or without human intervention.

You can't set the standard to have zero impact. For goodness sakes, all our sailing grounds were covered in ice at one time. Imagine if humans existed at the time and tried to maintain those conditions.
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An increase in any population, whether zebra muscles, plant life or humans, they change the current ecosystem. It's happened naturally throughout time, with or without human intervention.

You can't set the standard to have zero impact. For goodness sakes, all our sailing grounds were covered in ice at one time. Imagine if humans existed at the time and tried to maintain those conditions.
Agree. The Cheasapeake Bay Foundation was (at least a few years back) trying to get the bay water qualitly back to a 1950's level. Back then the bay was full of crabs, oysters, and underwater grasses. Today it is relatively barren and getting worse. I remember as early as the mid 1980's the city dock (ego alley) was full of working oyster boats during the winter- added a nice touch. Those are gone now as well as the oyster, and the blue crab will be next.
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You can't set the standard to have zero impact. For goodness sakes, all our sailing grounds were covered in ice at one time. Imagine if humans existed at the time and tried to maintain those conditions.
So long as the Polar Bears are OK!!

Every time a Black Bear is spotted nearby everybody freaks out though.

Wildlife is OK until it starts eating your kids!!
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Back then the bay was full of crabs, oysters, and underwater grasses. Today it is relatively barren and getting worse. I remember as early as the mid 1980's the city dock (ego alley) was full of working oyster boats during the winter- added a nice touch. Those are gone now as well as the oyster, and the blue crab will be next.
this has less to do with pollution than simply overfishing and taking the prime breed stock...matters not whether it is crab/menhaden/stripers/etc.....

You can not allow year round fishing, destruction of the breeding grounds (dragging for crabs), etc and not expect systemic declines. Been that way since at least the early 80's....no one is willing to live by what is best for the catch, such that you have a catch in the years following..as with pollution - a bunch of talk, even more studies, gov't know nothings involved, millions spent, finger pointing, etc.

It is US...sadly in this case, as much of the catch of the Bay is exported? the US is we are feeding the rest of the world, with no end in sight

Kind of like eating your seed corn or potatoes and having nothing to plant.
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this has less to do with pollution than simply overfishing and taking the prime breed stock...matters not whether it is crab/menhaden/stripers/etc.....

You can not allow year round fishing, destruction of the breeding grounds (dragging for crabs), etc and not expect systemic declines. Been that way since at least the early 80's....no one is willing to live by what is best for the catch, such that you have a catch in the years following..as with pollution - a bunch of talk, even more studies, gov't know nothings involved, millions spent, finger pointing, etc.

It is US...sadly in this case, as much of the catch of the Bay is exported? the US is we are feeding the rest of the world, with no end in sight

Kind of like eating your seed corn or potatoes and having nothing to plant.
Over fishing is part of the problem, but another is loss of habitat (submerged grasses) due to sediment, polution and nutrient run-off.
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