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This business of people seeking a large number of suppliers and beating them up on price is just one of the oddities of these times. I am an architect. In the past a potential client might talk to 4-5 architects at the most before making a selection. In these times we have been talking to owners who have interviewed as many as a dozen architects and come in with all kinds of outlandish claims about how cheaply some offered to provide services. When I hear that kind of thing, I tend to be cautious about these potential clients. They may work out, but most of these extreme-tire-kickers are looking for the imposible and won't be satisfied not matter what you do for them. It's just the nature of the time, working twice as many hours for 2/3's the pay, but at least we have work....
As to this thread, I must admit that I don't understand why anyone would build the Magpie as designed. Atkins describes a workboat style of wooden boat construction, heavy frames, and planking, a minimal lamount of low density ballast, and almost no sail area relative to drag. Boats like these with concrete with iron boiler-punchings internal ballast had very short lives as the concrete held the moisture against the planking and frames rotting them out quickly.
Atkins designed many great tradition sailing designs, but this really isn't one of them. When you look at the small amount of ballast, this will be a tender boat for its drag. He does not show enough sail area to overcome that drag, nor does Atkin show enough stability to stand up to a bigger sail plan. Given the sail area to displacement the sail plan shows little more than steadying sails on a motorboat.
That is further reinforced by the hard bilges which were standard practice for displacement motorboats of that era but which give a pretty uncomfortable snap to the roll in a seaway (which may be why Atkins felt the need to give this boat steadying sails and ballast).
As someone who knows and loves traditional sailing craft, I just don't get why someone would want to build this particular design when there are so many wonderful traditional design that would sail better, have a more comfortable motion, and be more seaworthy.
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Curmudgeon at Large- and rhinestone in the rough, sailing my Farr 11.6 on the Chesapeake Bay