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I would like to know where they come up with these outrageous numbers for disposing of boats. My estimate would be something like: 1 man 2 days (probably 1 day) with saws and crow bars= $300, 1 rental dumpster =$600.00, 6 chainsaw blades=$100, maybe lifting ballast onto truck to cart to recycler= a wash because 5000# of lead would pay for this op. An even cheaper way if they float: fuel to tow them out to a local offshore dumping (artificial reef:-) site= maybe $1000 or way less/boat if you could string 20 of them together.
Total: est. $50 to $1000/ boat.
One dumpster for a 58 foot motoryacht?


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You'd be surprized what you can get in a 20 yd dumpster....
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maybe lifting ballast onto truck to cart to recycler= a wash because 5000# of lead would pay for this op.
Those days are long gone! You're not going to cover the costs of demolition and removal by recycling lead ballast.

This gets brought up at every meeting at yacht clubs with abandoned boats.


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Those days are long gone! You're not going to cover the costs of demolition and removal by recycling lead ballast.

This gets brought up at every meeting at yacht clubs with abandoned boats.
I should have been clearer. I am talking about just the lead disposal, not the whole boat and YES, a large boat can fit in a 40yd dumpster. Boats are mostly air. It's why they float!

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$5000 for a municipality to dispose of a boat is easily done. Not just the hacking the thing to pieces and dumping it, there's the hazmat assessment, the H&S assessment, the risk assessment, the lawyer assessment..... then the money to actually pay a couple of "marine disposal specialists" to do it, since Government employees wouldn't possibly do anything out of their union-stated job descriptions.

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"I would like to know where they come up with these outrageous numbers for disposing of boats. My estimate would be something like:"
You've obviously never held an elected office, or a corporate management position.
The outrageous numbers usually result from the need to FOLLOW THE RULES as opposed to DIY. Following the rules often means union labor and labor contract provisions. One chain saw operator? Add one supervisor to manage. Add one driver for the haul truck. Add a flagman if there's any traffic or road in the area. Add...lots of things that are required for municipal jobs.
Now double or triple that, because there's LEAD involved the entire job becomes a HAZMAT containment operation, until the certified HAZMAT crew has removed all hazardous material form the site, and shipped that off to a certified hazmat disposal site.

None of which really matters in many cases. Like the town in Rhode Isalnd, which will eventually--and simply--add those costs to the tax bill of the man who built the illegal dock and brought in the boats. Then they'll sell his property at tax auction, and recoup their money.

Towns, union members (the general public) and everyone else who mandate the expensive labor schemes, all want it this way. Can't complain about what you voted for, and someone sure as hell voted in those expensive labor rates.
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Call the owner up and offer to buy it. Then call the marina and offer to take it off their hands if they forgo previous storage fees. Then buy the boat. Then fix it up or donate it. Problem solved.

I'm sure the current owner would let it go cheap.

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I should have been clearer. I am talking about just the lead disposal, not the whole boat and YES, a large boat can fit in a 40yd dumpster. Boats are mostly air. It's why they float!
The $12k figure involves 3 boats (one of them a 57' motoryacht) One guy with a chainsaw is not removing the engines, fuel tanks, appliances, shafts etc by himself then cutting up the entire boat and putting it in a dumpster in 2 days.

There are also going to be towing/tug charges, hauling and yard fees etc.

Claiming this should be done for $1000 is fantasy.


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$5000 for a municipality to dispose of a boat is easily done. Not just the hacking the thing to pieces and dumping it, there's the hazmat assessment, the H&S assessment, the risk assessment, the lawyer assessment..... then the money to actually pay a couple of "marine disposal specialists" to do it, since Government employees wouldn't possibly do anything out of their union-stated job descriptions.
And there you have it, as well as in Hello Sailor's post. Yes, I have worked for large corporations as well as government. I knew these kinds of comments might follow. It's my point. The long list of people required to accomplish a simple task is evidence of our massive, intrusive, out of control government that everyone just blindly accepts. Most of the list of those involved with their hands out produce ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, provide no LEGITIMATE service. Maybe this is better discussed on the "Off Topic" forum.
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The $12k figure involves 3 boats (one of them a 57' motoryacht) One guy with a chainsaw is not removing the engines, fuel tanks, appliances, shafts etc by himself then cutting up the entire boat and putting it in a dumpster in 2 days.

There are also going to be towing/tug charges, hauling and yard fees etc.

Claiming this should be done for $1000 is fantasy.
The fact that you would worry about getting the engines out indicates you don't have any idea about how to make things work. Parts would fall out as the boat disappeared in sections. I have done things like this, have you? As someone above mentioned, you can fit an amazing amount of stuff in a large dumpster. The problems arise from absurd, over the top regulations. I can remember pouring a new concrete boat ramp for a boatyard on LI and some green-suit from ENCON spending his day watching that I didn't step on the cattails which had grown by the ramp. If this kind of stuff wasn't such a tragic waste of taxpayer money, it would be funny.

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