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Where did he get his experience & sea time?
Why did everyone on the bridge let this happen? Going so close to shore with a ship seems really stupid. There is usually more than one or two crew on the bridge, didn't anyone think about the bottom or rock ledges, so close to the shore line? If I was that captain, I would have been the LAST person off, if indeed I ever did get off! If the captain was that scared, he could have run down to the ships hospital and asked the ships doctor for some medication!
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01-26-2012
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Originally Posted by MerrittIslandRich
Why did everyone on the bridge let this happen? Going so close to shore with a ship seems really stupid. There is usually more than one or two crew on the bridge, didn't anyone think about the bottom or rock ledges, so close to the shore line? If I was that captain, I would have been the LAST person off, if indeed I ever did get off! If the captain was that scared, he could have run down to the ships hospital and asked the ships doctor for some medication!
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One report I read said that junior officers were afraid to speak up - he was a bully.
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01-26-2012
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One report I read said that junior officers were afraid to speak up - he was a bully.
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That would make sense. Most bullies are actually cowards.
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01-29-2012
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Up to 17 dead. Condolences to the families of the victims.
Best wishes to the survivors for being able to get on with their lives.
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01-29-2012
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OTOH, the ship and several others in the Costa fleet, (reportedly) make the 'salute' as often as possible.
they have many instances over the years of this occurring, so its not like he thought up this on his own.
still captain is the boss, and it was low tide.
My problem is how it was handled AFTER the collision. the why it happened I can understand.
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01-29-2012
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I've yet to understand how a ship takes on water from the port side and ends up listing to starboard. Having a hole on one side of the ship would I think cause the ship to list on that side, but then again the Taitanic seemed to stay level and sunk by the bow having impacted the iceberg on one side.
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01-29-2012
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Originally Posted by lancelot9898
I've yet to understand how a ship takes on water from the port side and ends up listing to starboard. Having a hole on one side of the ship would I think cause the ship to list on that side, but then again the Taitanic seemed to stay level and sunk by the bow having impacted the iceberg on one side.
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If you impact and open the starboard side, bow....you will go down level on the bow.
If you strike the port side, bow, you will list to port and capsize.
If you strike starboard, aft, you will go down level on the stern.
If you strike port side, aft, you will list to starboard and capsize.
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Originally Posted by lancelot9898
I've yet to understand how a ship takes on water from the port side and ends up listing to starboard. Having a hole on one side of the ship would I think cause the ship to list on that side, but then again the Taitanic seemed to stay level and sunk by the bow having impacted the iceberg on one side.
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Titanic didn't have proper watertight compartments - they were bins, not boxes so the water rose to the top and slopped over into adjacent compartments - this kept things level.
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A dare?
CBC's Fifth Estate has a report tonight
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The dangerous manoeuvre that caused the Costa Concordia cruise ship to crash into rocks off the shore of the Italian island of Giglio last month was likely the result of a rivalry between its captain and that of another ship to see who could get closest to the island when sounding the customary salute that vessels give when passing shore.
Concordia's captain, Francesco Schettino, had sent an email just weeks before the Jan. 13 disaster to another captain who had managed to sound his ship's horn from closer than the eight kilometres considered safe.
In that email, Schettino vowed to pull the same stunt and do it better, according to Italian investigative journalist Carlo Bonini, one of several people interviewed in a special report on the wreck of the Concordia that will air Friday night on The Fifth Estate.
Italian journalist Carlo Bonini, who has tried to reconstruct the events leading up to the capsizing of the Concordia. (Courtesy of The Fifth Estate)
"So, I think it was … this sort of a challenge among captains, a sort of a secret challenge among captains," Bonini told the Fifth Estate's Bob McKeown.
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Concordia captain's stunt blamed for cruise wreck - World - CBC News
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02-03-2012
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Sounds a lot like the fighter pilots that tried flying under the tram line years ago - they didn't make it either and others paid the price for their macho bull$hit.
Lets have one of the lawyers chime in - what is the legal definition of an act that results in the unintended but easily foreseeable deaths of large numbers of people? Is that manslaughter or just criminal negligence?
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