while you have shown great negativity about ROCNA and Smith. Problem being I have been answering questions and from my side there is simply nothing nice to say about the Anchor Smiths.
noticeably absent are many comments about the Manson gang.
Manson and Anchor Right have had our issues but we haven’t hung out our dirty laundry on the forums.
I have one of the original ROCNA from NZ shipped from there and have been very happy with it and in fact sleep very comfortably at night when using it.
If you are happy with what you are deploying then I have no comment.
Hi Maine Sail thanks for your kind words.
that said, Rex how do I get a Sarca in the USA? I would retire my Rocna
Joe at Seacor in Seattle has just imported some large Sarca’s, I would imagine he will be organizing another order soon; you can pm me if you want more details.
I'm pretty sure nobody is interested in my opinions on this, but...
The biggest problem in trying to choose an anchor for ones boat is the dearth of factual information about wind loads on boats, working strengths of rode components, tensile strength of anchors and holding power or load capability of different anchors in various media.
Well I am interested, If you want solid information the best place to get this information is from any marine survey officer, it will cost, but he will simply spec your boat as to weight wind age draft and so on, you tell him where you expect to travel, open anchorages, open waters subject to strong wind excetera and he will get you as close as to the correct ground tackle, weight, size, even your chain size, but no make no mistake he would recommend tested chain and guide you in the wright direction.
These guys are qualified to do this; their information comes from the most proven oldest hand book information available, the USL CODE, Lloyds, DNV, and N.M.S.C. in Australia and many more still rely on this information when specking the ground tackle for boats.
Yes do not believe what you read re holding power figures from unqualified media, get this information from an authority that has done the testing, such as Lloyd’s DNV, N.M.S.C. and so on, otherwise you will continue getting conflicting results from one anchor test to another. Unfortunately you have be wary of liars that say they have certified S/H/H/Power anchors when in fact they don’t, you have seen the results, shanks bending like pretzels, lucky no one came to grief because of them, if they had come to grief, most definitely the Mary men would have had a law suit against them.
Another thing, who cares who stole what from whom. If you can submit a design and get a patent, then there are sufficient differences in the products to make who came first irrelevant. All anchors evolved from a rock, live with it and celebrate the proximate changes.
Possibly no one cares except the inventor.
someone pointed out that you can't anchor a boat on a warranty. So the best thing
You can rely on is factual honest information from the engineering department. Think about an anchor warranty. Say you are going to sell 10,000 anchors this year that represents at most 3,650,000 anchoring events. In actuality there will probably only be 7,300 anchoring events and only 1,825 will be in gale conditions and maybe, maybe a dozen in storm conditions and one of those is going to break. For sure we are going to read about that one here on SN. So marketing says sure, if you bought the right size and it breaks, we will replace it. But in the really small fine print liability is limited to anchor replacement only. And of course there is no warranty on the shackle, chain, rope, chaffing gear or deck cleat. Anchor warranties don't mean anything.
You know we do have standards, you would not fly in a plane if it wasn’t built to standards, but if so, there is still no guarantee you will land safely, you would not buy a car that is not made to standards, even if it is, and fitted with four airbags you still may easily be killed, so basically all we have is standards to regulate safety as best we can, So why would anyone buy an anchor not made to standards, well made anchors too, have indeed saved lives, there is no perfect anchor and I don’t believe their ever will be, but if you have liars cheats out there as we have seen then you just may end up with a dud.
So ask the questions, is this anchor tested certified, by who, if it sounds dodgy check out who tested the anchor, show me the test cert. show me how much holding power per kilo of this design, quality steels then show me the proof test results, if they cannot supply this information don’t buy the anchor.
We have just supplied a 105 k.G. for a Sun Seeker, the owner had a survey officer spec the anchor size, we had to supply all of the information that I have just taken you through, so now because of the thouroughness of researching and then us supplying, if something should happen simply because we lied, are we liable, you bet we are.
I am going to attach some good information and I would encourage you to read it, it may reassure you that some anchor manufactures are not just there to make a quick buck, but more importantly will answer many questions about shank strengths and sideways pull.
CEO of Anchor Right Australia.
Sorry fellars once again I cannot up load this file,must be to big.