Originally Posted by chef2sail
Sounds like you have an ax to grind with your obvious bias against the Rocnas.
I did my "homework" when the ROCNA originally came out I bought one. It wasnt about the hype. There was no Manson Spreme to buy. Magically 6 months later the Manson appears. Company making them/ designer were geographically close to ROCNA of new Zealand whwere my anchor was imported from. Looks kind of similar doesnt it, ROCNA came first...hmmmmmmmm. Poor argument on your part. It was a knockoff.
Go figure the knock off is cheaper. Knockoffs almost always are cheaper. Another specious statement
Not withstanding the idiot who ran the company into the ground with his boastfull arrogant nature, not withstanding the idiot who cheapened the steel, or who attacked othe anchor companies which have since occured...at the time the ROCNA was the only one and was the premier new design anchor.
I still remember Mainesails tests, and since I have purchased one I can unequivically say it has been the best all round anchor I have ever had. ( Bottom conditions dictate that some anchors are specifically better in specific conditions, but if I was to carry on main on it would be this design). I sleep well at anchor now.
Would I buy on now with its technical issues...no I would proably get the Supreme although I have never liked the hole in the shank.
Please do not try and come with revisionist history, as history is just that...a record... not a fantasy to prove a point.
Actually there is plenty of data to support the Manson Supreme not being a knock off. I actually owned a Manson BEFORE I owned a Rocna and I still had one of the first Rocna's produced in Canada. When I bought my first Manson Supreme the only way to get a Rocna here was to pay a FEW HUNDRED in shipping costs from NZ, hence my reason for buying a Manson Supreme first....
The Rocna is also a knock off. We quickly seem to forget the Wasi/Bugel anchor that was the FIRST hoop anchor or the fact that Peter Smith himself admitted to "copying" or "knocking off" the Delta shank and Spades fluke shape.....
The only reason anyone believes the Manson Supreme is a knock off is because, like most anything Rocna did, they told some mis-truths..
And how could we forget the Smith's publicly bashing the "rock slot" on the Manson Supreme then COPYING the Manson Supreme's slot themselves.....
When you spend your efforts in hundreds of posts over 4-5 years disparaging the Manson Supreme and calling it a knock off,
then saying things like this:
Originally Posted by Craig Smith
Anyway, Alain, really we can be friends. Like you so eloquently put it, we also think slotted shanks are a terrible concept. We have never made a Rocna with a slot
, and suspect the owner of this anchor has. Or was it Mr Photoshop?
That comment was a bash on a guy who was at a boat show and took a photo of a rocna with a slot and CS called him a liar and accused him of using Photoshop...
e idea to copy another product? Or is it just a terrible idea??? Hmmm I guess fisheman are unimportant to Rocna especially if the "rock slot" is such a bad idea......
Image Courtesy Rocna Anchors (LINK)
Hypocrisy & dishonesty at its best....