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Just when we thought all the twists and turns of the characters involved with the Rocna debacle was done, here is a new article about Mr. Grant Norman King, a former Rocna principle.

Who would believe such a scrip_t if screenwriters tried to sell it to a producer?

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Just to go back to the start of this thread: when you combine this with the other related statements on the Rocna "issue" that we can not really believe anything anything the the "old" cast may have said.
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Depends how you define "broken", I suppose...

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Depends how you define "broken", I suppose...

I wonder if that has ever happened to any other manufacturer's anchor?

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Sounds like you have an ax to grind with your obvious bias against the Rocnas.

I did my "homework" when the ROCNA originally came out I bought one. It wasnt about the hype. There was no Manson Spreme to buy. Magically 6 months later the Manson appears. Company making them/ designer were geographically close to ROCNA of new Zealand whwere my anchor was imported from. Looks kind of similar doesnt it, ROCNA came first...hmmmmmmmm. Poor argument on your part. It was a knockoff.

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Go figure the knock off is cheaper. Knockoffs almost always are cheaper. Another specious statement

Not withstanding the idiot who ran the company into the ground with his boastfull arrogant nature, not withstanding the idiot who cheapened the steel, or who attacked othe anchor companies which have since occured...at the time the ROCNA was the only one and was the premier new design anchor.

I still remember Mainesails tests, and since I have purchased one I can unequivically say it has been the best all round anchor I have ever had. ( Bottom conditions dictate that some anchors are specifically better in specific conditions, but if I was to carry on main on it would be this design). I sleep well at anchor now.

Would I buy on now with its technical issues...no I would proably get the Supreme although I have never liked the hole in the shank.

Please do not try and come with revisionist history, as history is just that...a record... not a fantasy to prove a point.

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Actually there is plenty of data to support the Manson Supreme not being a knock off. I actually owned a Manson BEFORE I owned a Rocna and I still had one of the first Rocna's produced in Canada. When I bought my first Manson Supreme the only way to get a Rocna here was to pay a FEW HUNDRED in shipping costs from NZ, hence my reason for buying a Manson Supreme first....

The Rocna is also a knock off. We quickly seem to forget the Wasi/Bugel anchor that was the FIRST hoop anchor or the fact that Peter Smith himself admitted to "copying" or "knocking off" the Delta shank and Spades fluke shape.....

The only reason anyone believes the Manson Supreme is a knock off is because, like most anything Rocna did, they told some mis-truths..

And how could we forget the Smith's publicly bashing the "rock slot" on the Manson Supreme then COPYING the Manson Supreme's slot themselves..... Hello pot....

When you spend your efforts in hundreds of posts over 4-5 years disparaging the Manson Supreme and calling it a knock off, then saying things like this:

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Anyway, Alain, really we can be friends. Like you so eloquently put it, we also think slotted shanks are a terrible concept. We have never made a Rocna with a slot, and suspect the owner of this anchor has. Or was it Mr Photoshop?

That comment was a bash on a guy who was at a boat show and took a photo of a rocna with a slot and CS called him a liar and accused him of using Photoshop...


Terrible idea to copy another product? Or is it just a terrible idea??? Hmmm I guess fisheman are unimportant to Rocna especially if the "rock slot" is such a bad idea......

Image Courtesy Rocna Anchors (LINK)



Hypocrisy & dishonesty at its best....
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I wonder if that has ever happened to any other manufacturer's anchor?

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Of course it has.

In fact, I just read on Manson website that bending is specifically excluded from their warranty.

Google something like "bent danforth" and you get dozens of hits.
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Thanks MaineSail for setting the record staright...in my post above I was trying to find and recall a post regarding the timing of the registration of the Rocna vs. Manson? What was the actual story there?
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I wonder if that has ever happened to any other manufacturer's anchor?

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Of course it has, there's not an anchor in the world that is immune to such a failure...

However, your original question was whether or not a Rocna had ever suffered a real-world "breakage", correct?


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The Rocna is also a knock off. We quickly seem to forget the Wasi/Bugel anchor that was the FIRST hoop anchor or the fact that Peter Smith himself admitted to "copying" or "knocking off" the Delta shank and Spades fluke shape.....
What goes around, comes around, in the increasingly incestuous world of New Generation Anchors...

At the same time that Manson has produced a closer clone to the Spade, by eliminating the roll bar...




Spade has "copied" the Rocna/Manson Supreme with a roll bar anchor of their own...




Say, that Black powder-coated Manson Boss is pretty sexy, eh? Hmmm, so how long do you suppose THAT look will last, in the real world? (grin)
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Rocna under the last two administrations has said Manson copied their design; the current administration has been silent on the issue.

Manson says they developed it independently.

Set the Manson Supreme aside and look at every other anchor in the Manson product line. They are ALL copies of another company's IP. So we are supposed to believe that Manson had a sudden surge of creativity that miraculously looks like what an independent designer came up with in the same time frame? I don't think so.

In so far as similarities between the Rocna and the Spade (concave blade), the Delta (shank), and the Wasi/Bugel (roll bar) there is a clear distinction in legislation and judicial precedent world wide between copies and derivations.

In my own head, Rocna failed in its second administration to deliver what was promised. Manson copied someone else's IP and promoted it as their own. Neither company has anything to be proud of here.
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Rocna failed in its second administration to deliver what was promised.
History will show that the real problem lies with an obstructionist congress unwilling to compromise.
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History will show that the real problem lies with an obstructionist congress unwilling to compromise.
You are close. But, as we all know, anything bad has to be Geauge Bush's fault.

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