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Dave, I think you're exactly right - but what if 50 boaters are assembled in a harbor, such as the SSCA gam at Rhode River, instead of 800 boaters blocking the Magothy? By this regulation, the SSCA gathering would also need a permit, yet there's no a priori reason to assume that they would block your freedom of movement or safety. (The actual text is "marine gathering" and doesn't say the boats must be tied together, as I read it.) So, is the problem that the proposed law is too vague or general, or that it is a bad idea to make a law about this altogether?


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As long as the SSCA did not violate the rules established by the citizens there is no need to make another restrictive rule. However the raft up we are talking about in past years as not only been a nusence, deposited a lot of trash in the water it has created an atmosphere of excessive drinking and noise. This can be addressed with our current laws/. They have in years passed blocked the waterway also
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According to the article the Bumper Bash representative realized that it had gotten out of hand anyway.

I didn't catch if there was a fee to obtain a permit. If there is not, perhaps it really is just a way for local LE to make sure they have the resources available during the event. I don't see why notifying them 60 days in advance should cause a hardship, especially since some of these events occur at the same time each year.

I'm not sure that I see this proposal as unreasonable based on the information in the article.

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Donna, I think you need insurance to gather! The way the rule is written in its current form, I fear it would block the insanity on the Magothy (which is a good thing) but would also impact calmer and sparser gatherings like the SSCA gam. That's what concerns me.

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Good luck enforcing it.

See the cops coming, quickly untie a few boats to the legal limit, whatever that is.

Cops leave, tie back up.

Pretty simple.
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Yea, great Idea. More laws,more regulations,more intrusion and restrictions,more more more goverment.
Give up a bit more of your freedoms like a slow leak until it's all under water and you find yourself standing there asking "what happened to my freedom?" the answer will be - "you gave it away"
Roudiness,trash,safety issues,drunkenness,blocking waterways , all things already addressed by current laws. No need for more reasons to be "approached" for your own "safety" and the "safety of the public".
Oh, and if you think the permit is "free" your really disallusional.
But hey, don't listen to me just keep giving all your freedom away a little at a time and that way you'l never notice it, and your children won't either as they grow up, because we taught them it was for ther "safety" and the the freedom they'll never enjoy.

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In all the years I have been boating, I have never seen any behavior from any rafted group that warrants a new law. We have way too many laws already. How dare those folks rafted up have any fun! Just one more example of heavy-handed government in the land of NO. Chip....chip....chip....

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Gatherings like the SSCA gam fall under "the law of unintended consequences".

It sounds like law enforcement has been willing to work with everybody up until now.

Look at it this way. I want to hold a free concert in the park and I expect 1,600 people to show up and BYOB. There will be drinking in the summer sun. The locals will be expected to provide EMS and police support. There will be fights. People will be affected by the heat. It's not unreasonable for them to want some notice so they can schedule extra folks to cover the event. it's no different for an event on the water.

Freedom of assembly means freedom to assemble for purposes of protest (at least to me).

A sensible approach might be to involve BoatUS and local Chesapeake Bay organizations to amend the minimum number of boats that trigger the permit requirement so events not requiring that kind of official oversight aren’t affected.

After all, I’m guessing the Seven Seas Cruising Association is probably mellower than a bunch of drunken 20 somethings

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Freedom of assembly means freedom to assemble for purposes of protest (at least to me).
what, no weddings? no funerals? no extended family get togethers? No political parties? I appreciate your opinion, but I'd rather not have the government in a position to decide whether the reason I want to assemble is one of the government approved reasons.

I agree that large assemblies can infringe on the rights of others and there needs to be a mechanism to address it. I personally think we have enough laws on the books already like public nuisance laws.
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Freedom of assembly means freedom to assemble for purposes of protest (at least to me).

A sensible approach might be to involve BoatUS and local Chesapeake Bay organizations to amend the minimum number of boats that trigger the permit requirement so events not requiring that kind of official oversight aren’t affected.

After all, I’m guessing the Seven Seas Cruising Association is probably mellower than a bunch of drunken 20 somethings
Rationalize it in whatever manner and whatever "make believe" scenario you need to to justify the obvious continued march to total goverment control of every aspect of every minute of your life.
Loosing your personel freedoms is similiar to me knocking on your door and when you open it to see who it is I stick my foot in the door and then my hand, then my leg and before long I'm sitting at your dinner table telling you what to make me for dinner .
these seemingly inocuous intrusions justified by far flung "what if's" and "for examplles" are just the way to fool and convince foolish people that it's for your own good.
How is it that we survived all these years without these laws? HOW?
how is it that we are not all dead for not wearing seatbelts,helmits,insurance safety shears,knee pads,air bags,safety goggles,child seats,anti lok brakes,etc.etc.etc.
I'm not against safety,I'm just FOR freedom. feel free to use whatever gives you the greatest false sense of security you feel you need to substitute for common sense and due diligence.
Oh, and don't forget if the safety device doesn't save you from your own ignorance you can always litigate, using the same attorny you used to impliment the laws that forced you to use the safety devises that fail to make you idiot proof.
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